Post #1829861

2026-04-28 10:59 UTC

@q66 100% agree and to extend upon that, I feel like this applies to a lot of the modern linux stack. Much of the frustration comes from power-users on single user systems, that are annoyed, that they "can't simply" do something *anymore*, while ignoring the complexities of modern computing, multi-user systems and security aspects. E.g. why can I not execute a graphical application as root under wayland, ignoring why that is a bad idea to begin with. Why is wayland not abstractable over network, ignoring the niceties of gpu-accelerated desktops and the existence of waypipe. Or take systemd. Dependency management is inherently complex and while it would surely be nice to be able to *simply* edit ones system initialization through a bunch of shell scripts, that completely ignores how difficult that is to maintain. Are any of these perfect solutions? Surely not and it is healthy that alternatives exist for the overall ecosystem. But "hate" for any of these is such a waste of time.

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@q66@gts.q66.moe 2026-04-28 11:05

@drakulix for most part yeah? i still think systemd is kinda bad and unpleasant to use software for reasons mostly unrelated to the above, but that's a separate topic and any discussion about it kinda inevitably tends to get poisoned

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@SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt 2026-04-28 11:08

@drakulix @q66 but the problem of systemd isn't that it handles dependencies, openrc and s6 do as well, and as far as i know, so does dinit the problem of systemd is it is a single monolith that tries to do everything, from system services, hostname resolution, user database, handling of xdg directories, superserver, etc. that is a very monopolistic behaviour, and those should be avoided

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@pauldoo@mastodon.scot 2026-04-28 11:11

@drakulix @q66 100% applies to the “power user” take of immutable or atomic linux systems, imho. “Oh but I can’t ‘sudo yum install’ anymore!” No, and that’s good! The clearer separation of the OS from software repositories is good! It’s also good to abandon the idea of mutating a live system in-place. That’s was never great. Push left!

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@pac85@social.treehouse.systems 2026-04-28 12:49

@drakulix can't you run Wayland apps as root just by setting WAYLAND_DISPLAY to the absolute path to the socket?

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