Post #1506640
2025-11-22 18:22 UTC
Replies (14)
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@florine@mastodon.green 2025-11-22 20:16
"But a handful said something I found quite sad: “I just wanted to write the best essay I could.” Those students in question, who at least tried to provide some of their own thoughts before mixing them with the generated result, had already written the best essay they could. And I guess that’s why I hate AI in the classroom as much as I do."
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@butterscotch@aus.social 2025-11-22 21:37
@toba@zeroes.ca this resonated with me: “Students are afraid to fail, and AI presents itself as a savior. But what we learn from history is that progress requires failure. It requires reflection.” Resilience is key. Thanks for posting!
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@mardor@ruhr.social 2025-11-22 21:39
@toba@zeroes.ca I use hidden instructions in assignments, too, but they bear the problem of being processed by screen readers and translation helpers of foreign students, too. So it is a problematic solution. Better are instructions for the LLM in plain sight as it seems that those students who cheat with LLMs do not even bother to read the whole assignment by themselves.
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@edavies@functional.cafe 2025-11-22 23:47
@toba@zeroes.ca The AHA asserts that “banning generative AI is not a long-term solution; cultivating AI literacy is.” One of their suggestions is to assign students an AI-generated essay and have them assess what it got right, got wrong or if it even understood the text in question. Hint to the AHA: no, the stochastic parrot didn't “understand” the text in question.
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@tagomago@mastodon.social 2025-11-23 08:27
@toba@zeroes.ca I don’t get why the essay could not be written from a Marxist point of view, given the existence of dialectical materialism and its influence on historiography. Also, I would like to listen to the other side, this guy raises a few flags.
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@futurebird@sauropods.win 2025-11-23 08:46
@toba@zeroes.ca This was interesting. In math all of our assessments are given in person, with pen and paper and maybe a calculator. This is because a "take home math test" kind of makes no sense. It's just too tempting to look up the right answers. Perhaps in-person assessments should play a bigger role in brief writing assignments.
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@jamesgbradbury@mastodon.social 2025-11-23 09:56
@toba@zeroes.ca "We must not believe the many, who say that only free people ought to be educated, but we should rather believe the philosophers who say that only the educated are free." Epictetus, The Discourses
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@noplasticshower@infosec.exchange 2025-11-23 11:35
@toba@zeroes.ca the reconstruction of the bicameral mind
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@leiawelsh@toot.wales 2025-11-23 12:03
@toba@zeroes.ca It shocks me not in the slightest - it’s the new copy and paste. Which was in turn the crib off your mates. Kids and young adults cheat when arbitrary writing tasks become high stakes assessment and ever had. But teaching staff STILL aren’t asking if arbitrary writing tasks are the right assessment tool.
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@annyr@fidelis.social 2025-11-23 12:35
@toba@zeroes.ca > Students are afraid to fail, and AI presents itself as a savior. But what we learn from history is that progress requires failure. It requires reflection. This is a really good article about AI in higher education esp.
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@tomnorthfilm@photog.social 2025-11-23 12:38
@toba@zeroes.ca This is an excellent article.
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@securedllama@infosec.exchange 2025-11-23 13:15
@toba@zeroes.ca "They also chose to actively avoid learning because it’s boring and hard." Hurts to read as someone who will learn things about subjects I don't even like or have any interest in. Learning is the best thing about life. If it's boring or hard you're doing it wrong.
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@Epic_Null@infosec.exchange 2025-11-23 15:49
@toba@zeroes.ca But a handful said something I found quite sad: “I just wanted to write the best essay I could.” Those students in question, who at least tried to provide some of their own thoughts before mixing them with the generated result, had already written the best essay they could. And I guess that’s why I hate AI in the classroom as much as I do. Yeah. We really have to have a conversation about "best" and "right", especially in communication contexts. By which I mean we need to have the side of the conversation not driven by Grammerly Ads and form over function perspectiveists. Writing is meant to communicate. That is the primary purpose. We have so lost sight of that.
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@EricLawton@kolektiva.social 2025-11-23 16:40
@toba@zeroes.ca @futurebird@sauropods.win It's a challenging systemic problem. I was lucky enough to be born early enough that, in England in 1969, my university degree was free (tuition AND living expenses) and people with one were in high demand regardless of grades. Paid for by the government for any first degree. It was believed to benefit not only the student but society as a whole. I remain convinced that this is still true. Now, the pressure to compete for those first steps on the career ladder and make enough, quickly, to pay off those massive millstone-debts means that the purpose of university has become mostly "get good grades" instead of "learn to think deeply". Now that we have "leaders" (bosses) who don't like critical thinking, that's not going to change unless we replace those oligarchs. I have retired now but I still write for several hours a week just to learn new things, as it's the best way I know how, regardless of whether or not anyone will ever read it. #systemsThinking #socialSystems