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RealGene ☣️
@RealGene@hachyderm.io · May 11
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David Fleetwood - RG Admin
@reflex@retrogaming.social · May 12
@incompitence@mindly.social The Carters are the closest thing we've ever had to a moral first family.
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Hypolite Petovan
@hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com · May 13
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@reflex@retrogaming.social @incompitence@mindly.social Not a fan of the Obamas?
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David Fleetwood - RG Admin
@reflex@retrogaming.social · May 13
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- More deportations than Trump
- War crimes like double tap drone strikes
- Expansion of executive power
- Expansion of the surveillance state
I could go on. Obama is a big part of why we are here. Being marginally better than the other team isn't enough. We have not had a left leaning president since maybe FDR.
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Hypolite Petovan
@hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com · May 13
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@reflex@retrogaming.social @incompitence@mindly.social Thank you for the earnest response, this gave me the chance to look deeper into Carter's term and it indeed didn't have as many military engagements as pretty much all the other presidential terms.
I had grown to view the US military as a state within a state, operating largely independently and on a much longer time scale than American presidential terms. Maybe presidents do have an influence, although I'm not confortable pointing at Obama specifically. I believe he was a quite precarious political position as a Black man in the US, which may have adversely impacted his margin of maneuver (hence the expansion of executive power to somewhat remediate that).
I also was aware about the other points you mentioned but I have trouble associating them with the Obamas probably because they never made it a focus of their public interventions.
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David Fleetwood - RG Admin
@reflex@retrogaming.social · May 13
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@hypolite @incompitence@mindly.social I agree with Obama's predicament and I doubt we saw what he wanted to do. But right now I can only see the results and they are not good. I was a fan when he was in office, but retrospect has made it clear he hastened rather than slowed our slide.
I don't hyper fixate on blaming Obama, Clinton is the Dem most responsible for where we are today. But you asked if I was a fan and unfortunately I'm not anymore.
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Hypolite Petovan
@hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com · May 13
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@reflex@retrogaming.social It's fair and I appreciate your perspective which I partly share.
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David Fleetwood - RG Admin
@reflex@retrogaming.social · May 13
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@hypolite At the end of the day, the most blame falls on the right, they did this. The Dem failure was in refusing to recognize the threat and respond as though it was an emergency.
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