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"China is AuThORItAriAN!" - Liberals
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@Yliaster@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent
Not an American or a liberal, and yes, china is authoritarian. Is america better? No. The credit score system in the US is also bad.
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@QinShiHuangsShlong__dup_67153@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent
Authoritarian is a meaningless pejorative. The social credit score isn’t real.
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@Yliaster@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent
Re: authoritarianism— your opinion. Some of us aren't in favour of oppressive regimes that aren't transparent, surveil, and censor.
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"Authoritarianism" is meaningless because all it means is "uses state power." It doesn't acknowledge which class controls the state and who it uses state power against. In China, the working classes control the state, and use state power against bad actors and capitalists more than anything else. China is oppressive *to capitalists* and liberating *to workers.*
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I haven’t much evidence for the claim: “In China, the working classses control the state” sure you will say that is my western bias from living with china bad propaganda, but you could actually provide something to me read on topic if possible
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@QinShiHuangsShlong__dup_67153@lemmy.ml · Mar 10
You can debate whether the system works well, but it isn’t accurate to say there’s no evidence for the claim that the working classes play a central role in the Chinese state. China’s constitution explicitly defines the PRC as a socialist state “led by the working class and based on the alliance of workers and peasants,” with state power exercised through the National People’s Congress (NPC) system. The NPC is the highest organ of state power, with nearly 3,000 deputies drawn from provinces, the PLA, and different social sectors. The makeup of the NPC is not just party bureaucrats or business elites. In the 14th NPC there are hundreds of deputies from workers and farmers and large numbers of grassroots representatives, along with 442 ethnic minority deputies covering all 55 minority groups. Most deputies in China’s people’s congress system (about 95%) serve at the county and township level, which are directly elected and involve hundreds of millions of voters. Higher congresses are elected from these lower levels. This structure is what China calls “whole-process people’s democracy.” Sources explaining the system include CGTN’s Who runs the CPC and the State Council white paper China: Democracy That Works. You can also look at how the state treats capital. China has private capital, but it is clearly subordinated to state goals. When Jack Ma tried to push an aggressive fintech model through Ant Group that would massively expand lightly regulated consumer credit, regulators halted the IPO and forced restructuring under stricter oversight. That is a case of disciplining capital when it conflicts with social stability and the broader economy. Likewise, China has pursued policies like eliminating extreme poverty and building massive infrastructure networks (including projects that are not monetarily profitable) because they are treated as long-term public development goals. That kind of large-scale, socially oriented investment is difficult to sustain in systems where private capital dominates the state. So you can disagree with the Chinese model, but there is actually a large amount of Chinese material explaining how their system is supposed to function and why they claim it represents working-class political power.
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