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Please, using crypto alone isn’t going to do shit. The barrier to entry for truly anonymous usage is not something most people will ever accomplish. Privacy is effectively dead but yet we have a company trying to advertise about it. Proton has always been marketing garbage meant to attract people’s money. Garbage company with no ethics other than taking care of their pocket book.

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@redpulpo@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent

You’re mixing up privacy and anonymity. Encryption alone doesn’t make you anonymous — that’s true — but Proton never claimed it would. Their promise is that email content is end-to-end encrypted, which is why they can’t hand over the messages themselves. In the case reported by 404 Media, the identification came from payment information, not from breaking encryption. If you pay with a credit card, your identity is already tied to the account. That would happen with any service under a legal jurisdiction. The real takeaway isn’t that Proton is “garbage”, it’s that most people misunderstand what encryption actually protects.

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I was talking about both. The fact that Proton exists as a middle man to expose a customer is the reality of the situation. Do you think they score points for blaming their customer!? I really have a hard time dealing with shills for corporations. The real takeaway is the way Proton advertised itself was a fucking lie and now they have to spend all their time back peddling while shills like you do PR for them. Garbage company with to leaders who say stupid shit about politics they don’t understand and make idle threats to their own government saying they are going to move like the little fascist bitches they are.

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Proton didn’t “expose” the user by breaking encryption. According to the reporting, the identification came from payment information, which any company legally has to keep and can be compelled to provide under a court order. The email content remained encrypted. This isn’t unique to Proton — any service operating under a legal jurisdiction is a potential middleman if it stores identifiable data. That’s exactly why anonymity requires Tor, anonymous payments, and strict OPSEC, not just encrypted email. So the real lesson isn’t that encryption is fake; it’s that privacy tools don’t automatically give anonymity, and many people expect them to.

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Proton, if it cared, could have taken any number of steps to mitigate this problem. Like I said, they created a false image of what they provided to the public and have been back peddling ever since. I get it you don’t see it that way and that you don’t view yourself as a shill.

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@redpulpo@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent

You’re still confusing two completely different things: privacy and anonymity. Encryption protects the content of messages, not every piece of metadata around an account. Proton has always been clear about that. In the 404 Media case, the identification came from payment information, not from Proton breaking encryption. If someone pays with a credit card, their identity is already tied to the account. That would happen with any provider under legal jurisdiction. Honestly, the way you’re framing this suggests you don’t really understand how encryption, metadata, and OPSEC work. Encryption ≠ anonymity. Anyone who actually works in security knows that.

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@Doomsider@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent

I was never confused about the issue. Honestly you are just shilling for Proton.

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@redpulpo@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent

I’m not shilling for Proton. I’m pointing out a basic distinction you keep ignoring: encryption protects message content, not identity. Calling Proton’s encryption a “lie” just shows you’re arguing emotionally rather than technically. Anyone who actually understands the space knows encrypted email was never meant to guarantee anonymity.

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Doomsider in !privacy

@Doomsider@lemmy.world · Mar 07

I said their marketing was a lie. Hey I get it, reading is hard.

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