@liw oh. in 2006, when amazon introduced their "cloud", managers were looking at us in the coffee rooms, saying "time to find a new job, we don't need system engineers anymore". I took a AWS Architect certification, and now I get paid MORE. They don't get it. It happens ALL THE TIME, yet they don't get it. And this was just the time i like to remember more. In the meantime, I had a certification of prompt engineer, (meaning: talking) and one as "agentic", which means, scripting on steroid. If they like it...