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Marxists tend to critically support Russia over Ukraine here. Russia doesn’t want to “take over Ukraine,” it wants the 4 oblasts and Ukraine to be demillitarized. Donetsk and Luhansk both have been at war with Kiev since 2014 and voted to join the Russian Federation, and the far-right Banderites that siezed power in the 2014 Euromaidan coup have been heavily millitarizing and oppressing ethnic Russians. Ukraine serves a similar geopolitical purpose for the US Empire as Israel, it’s a heavily millitarized anti-communist country surroundrd by geopolitical adversaries.

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@MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world on piefed.world Open parent

There’s a lot of problems with your reply. You can’t say Russia doesn’t want to control Ukraine and reconcile that with the fact that Russia previously had puppets controlling Ukraine. You can’t seriously believe that Russia holds fair elections.

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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent

Yanukovych was not a puppet. The IMF loan came with stipulations requiring austerity, the Russian loan did not. Secondly, Russia is intervening directly in the Donbass region. It isn’t dubious at all that Crimea and the Donbass are heavily Russian, they were added to Ukraine only a century ago.

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@MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world on piefed.world Open parent

Not a puppet? Spare me. Where is he right now? What a coincidence! Did you intentionally misunderstand what I said? They could have just taken the territories they wanted that were supposedly majority Russian and left it at that…the west wouldn’t have done shit about it. But they didn’t, did they?

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They are taking historically Russian areas like Donetsk and Luhansk. The west is doing what it wants because it’s using Ukraine as a proxy war to damage Russia, and is carving Ukraine out for resources. Yanukovych escaping the far-right Banderites that the west supported doesn’t mean he was a puppet either. You’re deeply confused here.

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@MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world on piefed.world Open parent

Imagine being so communist and/or anti-American that you can’t criticize a fascist capitalist state over a liberal capitalist state. You’re too smart to make the argument that Russia’s actions are restricted to the areas they allege are majority Russian.

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Kiev is run by far-right neo-Nazis that uphold Stepan Bandera. The Russian Federation isn’t socialist by any means, but it isn’t run by literal neo-Nazis and it isn’t ethnically cleansing anyone.

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@MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world on piefed.world Open parent

This is just Russian propaganda. Here in reality, no, Ukraine isn’t run by neo Nazis. Are some people in the army Nazis? Yes, of course…people who like to kill other people are generally terrible people. It’s amazing that, for whatever reason, people give such a pass to Russia. Russia is a fascist dictatorship that absolutely ethnically cleanses groups all over the country and it’s satellites.

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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml · Dec 14

No, it’s reality that you’re denying. Ukraine is run by neo-Nazis, as was reported by the west, which you still disagree with as “Russian propaganda.” From @davel@lemmy.ml BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War Consortium News, 2022: Evidence of US-Backed Coup in Kiev Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties? History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV Russia isn’t ethnically cleansing people, Kiev is.

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