If the Chinese are behind this, which I think is reasonably likely, they’ve played it beautifully. Their hands look pretty clean while they manipulate Putin to run all their campaigns through Russia. And the only real evidence we have is that nearly everything that happens benefits China. Huge damage to America’s soft power Damage to America’s military Reduced power of the dollar Weakening of NATO Destruction of the US green energy production, especially EVs. US operational security is the weakest it has ever been Loss of moral authority to contest imperialism, such as Hong Kong and Taiwan

There is a lot of evidence of Chinese exerting their influence in the USA. They directly and openly supported Trump via TikTok, they frequently run social media psyops and botnets (with zero subtlety, too), and they frequently are the source of cyberattacks on US industries and outlets. There is also a lot of evidence of their involvement directly with Iran and indirectly with Gaza, Jordan, Egypt, and Israel. It’s not clever or beautiful, it’s a bunch of dumb assholes having a proxy war and fucking things up for everyone.

There is a lot of evidence of Chinese exerting their influence in the USA. They directly and openly supported Trump via TikTok, they frequently run social media psyops and botnets (with zero subtlety, too), and they frequently are the source of cyberattacks on US industries and outlets. And this is different from the USA peddling and forcing their stuff down everybody’s throat because? I should also point out that none of that “influence” would have been effective if the USA had a working government that did do everything possible to keep its own people poor, sick and uneducated There is also a lot of evidence of their involvement directly with Iran and indirectly with Gaza, Jordan, Egypt, and Israel. Oh I see… of course, these are countries where the USA has never had any influence in… Now that I think of it, the USA rarely influences any foreign country It’s not clever or beautiful, it’s a bunch of dumb assholes having a proxy war and fucking things up for everyone. You mean the USA right?

Yes clearly microsoft selling you a software license is equivalent to you compromising millions of routers and using them as a botnet for taking various services down.

isn’t your tongue dry from all the boot licking?

Which boot are you insinuating I am licking? You’re the one defending a Dictator’s open hostility when we were in times of peace. You’re the one trying to legitimize the Trump admin. Perhaps you might be projecting? A lot?

Which boot are you insinuating I am licking? The USA’s so in today’s world it would be the Orange Pedophile’s boot You’re the one defending a Dictator’s open hostility when we were in times of peace. I have not, that is all part of your weak strawman You’re the one trying to legitimize the Trump admin. Ok, you are either confusing the many people you are trying to troll or you have having a stroke

Me saying China is worse is not the same as saying China is good. Thats the problem with you fucking Tankies, you know your side is shit but you’ve somehow justified unquestioning faith in a side.