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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent
No it isn’t, you’re inventing a concept and believing it to be the concept.
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@w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent
And now you’ve made my point about power and control for me. Anarchy is freedom and liberation. Here you are using it as an intellectual prison.
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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent
No, I am discussing anarchism the concept as it has evolved over time and has actually existed in real life, even if only for short periods. You’ve invented a brand new ideology that rejects itself as such and undermines its own premise.
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@w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent
And my point is that your idea of anarchy that’s ‘evolved over time’ and has ‘actually existed in real life’ is antithetical to what anarchy actually is. You’ve confused yourself by over intellectualizing the concept.
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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent
No, you’ve confused yourself by dogmatically extrapolating what you think anarchy is from vibes and conjecture.
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@w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent
Yes. And if you have a problem with that, you don’t get anarchy.
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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent
I don’t want anarchy, I’m a communist. That doesn’t mean I can afford to invent strawmen to argue against, I take anarchism seriously precisely because I don’t agree with it. I evaluate it on its own merits and theory, not by my own invented strawman.
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@pebbles@sh.itjust.works on sh.itjust.works Open parent
Hi cowbee! Hope you’re doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I’m not gonna debate it really, I’m just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that.
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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml · Mar 05
I’m doing pretty well, thanks! Essentially, I disagree that anarchism is a viable path forward for large-scale change, and my reasoning for doing so is that production and distribution have evolved to become more interconnected, complex, and distributed, not horizontalist, individualist, and communalist. It therefore makes more sense to solve the contradiction between privatized profits in the hands of fewer and fewer people, and the socialization of labor globally, by socializing the profits as well and abolishing class. Hierarchy isn’t intrinsically bad, in my view. Organization with various levels emerges as a common structure in society over time often out of necessity, as production and distribution grows in scale and complexity. The solution to problems of class society isn’t to attack the concept of hierarchy, but the material basis of class, that being private ownership of the means of production. That’s the gist of it, really, in a small bite.
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