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@pebbles@sh.itjust.works on sh.itjust.works Open parent

I mean, standing in the shoulders of giants and all that. May as well lean into the human ability to be more effective by learning from generations of experience.

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@w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent

Learning and passing down knowledge are great human capabilities. That goes without saying. I was questioning how much that applies to the idea of anarchy before you’re simply thinking about it too much. Like, are you making rules for how to anarchy?

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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent

Anarchism has a good deal of theory associated with how a horizontalist society can come to be and function. It very much isn’t just 'vibes," even if I disagree with it.

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@w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent

See that’s the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don’t. Its something tjat can be kept from you. If someone can be ‘in the know’ about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes.

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@pebbles@sh.itjust.works on sh.itjust.works Open parent

Unfortunately we have to live in the real world though. IMO anarchy will likely always be a direction rather than a position. I have a fearful inclination to belive that humans naturally form hierarchy and therefore we must learn how to mitigate that tendency. I can’t imagine a better world appears from ignorance and vibes. It’s hard for me to imagine anarchy existing without a culture that believes in it and knows how to execute on it. That’ll take a lot of hard work and knowledge to produce.

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@w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent

But what is the IT they know how to execute? Anarchy isn’t really a ‘thing’ so much as an absence of a thing. The idea of a government built on no government is contradictory. That’s why you have to vibe it.

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@pebbles@sh.itjust.works on sh.itjust.works Open parent

A lack of rules feels more like libertarianism than anarchism. Hierarchy will form if you just sit around and let it. Don’t you agree? The IT is basically whatever egalitarian system we know we can perpetuate. Being anti hierarchy is much more complex and active than just vibing it out.

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@w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent

How is a lack of rules more closely associated with libertarianism? Anarchy is the literal absence of government.

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@pebbles@sh.itjust.works · Mar 05

Here are some starting points for ya lol: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism I see how you could get them confused as they both are about minimizing governance. From my understanding libertarianism is more broad with it. Anarchism still tries to create an egalitarian society though while liberalism is extremely laissez faire. The vast majority of anarchist have noticed that the world we live in is very unequal and have therefore concluded that it will take work to make a world without hierarchy. A quick look at the history books will show you that anarchist societies aren’t the most stable. Now we’ve never seen an anarchist world so it is hard to say if that would be stable, but anarchist societies embedded in hierarchical worlds are tough to sustain. Though I’m starting to think that you have really mixed together libertarianism and anarchism into something. So note that when I say anarchism I specifically mean realistic attempts to minimize hierarchy and not pure anti government.

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