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Make a claim

@9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works on sh.itjust.works Open parent

i really don’t understand all these people on .ml (who clearly aren’t chinese) bootlicking for china look, i’m a “communist” as well… i hate capitalism, blah blah blah… you guys are right about so many things. china is great, the west fucking sucks. i 100% agree… but i don’t understand why it has to extend to, “ALL criticism of china is invalid”… china has a clear objective of unifying the nation and the culture. and that means pushing out the non-han minorities such as the uyghur people. is this achieved through extreme violence? of course not. that’s barbaric and not-subtle. china knows how to play the long game. decades if needed. the west doesn’t see anything beyond a 4 year election cycle…

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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent

There is good criticism of China, but the problem with how Xinjiang is portrayed is that it’s the most reactionary, anti-communist people that are pushing the genocide theory the most. They armed seperatists and radicalized them in order to foment a block in the Belt and Road Initiative. The idea that China is pushing out non-Han ethnicities is wrong, China’s NPC has great minority representation, ethnic minorities are well protected, and Uyghur culture is flourishing.

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the problem with how Xinjiang is portrayed is that it’s the most reactionary, anti-communist people that are pushing the genocide theory the most. so just because reactionaries/anti-communists are pushing the narrative to support their own ends makes the issue fake/invalid? so if neo-nazis started supporting palestinians, that makes their oppression fake/invalid? The idea that China is pushing out non-Han ethnicities is wrong, China’s NPC has great minority representation, ethnic minorities are well protected, and Uyghur culture is flourishing. lol, again…100% non-chinese telling us how great it is over there (for non-han minorities)

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Neo-Nazis aren’t really supporting Palestinians, and moreover there is ample evidence of Palestinian genocide while there’s very little evidence of a supposed genocide in Xinjiang. The Xinjiang atrocity campaign is being used the same way as Saddam’s supposed WMD, which also had little to no actual evidence. Secondly, some Chinese do list their pronouns on English sites, but moreover I can support the combatting of western atrocity propaganda while also believing China has a long way to go on LGBTQIA+ rights. I consider myself cis, I list “they” as an alternative because I know some people don’t want to be referred to as “they/them.” I prefer he/him in most cases, but am okay with being referred to as they/them, while others certainly aren’t. Right now you’re doing the bit where Zionists say queer people shouldn’t support Palestine because groups like Hamas are anti-LGBTQIA+. The wheel of social progress moves faster when not being killed at scale, and we can see improving LGBTQIA+ rights in China over time.

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@9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works on sh.itjust.works Open parent

while there’s very little evidence of a supposed genocide in Xinjiang. again, nobody is saying china is doing an israel genocide on uyghurs… read the original meme post… it says oppression while also believing China has a long way to go on LGBTQIA+ rights why do you believe this? i heard that china is amazing at supporting trans people… anything else you heard is just anti-communist western propaganda… you see how that works? Right now you’re doing the bit where Zionists say queer people shouldn’t support Palestine because groups like Hamas are anti-LGBTQIA+ no, i’m doing the bit where a bunch of woke white people are strangely acting like china has zero credible criticisms… while also strangely admitting that china has a long way to go on LBGTQIA+ rights

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Clearly you can see that my point is that some criticism is real and some is not, right? I’m not “strangely” admitting anything, I’m acknowledging real critique while pointing out that some critique is not genuine. There are people saying China is doing to Xinjiang what Israel is doing to Palestine. They are wrong, of course, but acting like they don’t exist is silly.

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“Critiquing” China based on exaggerations and atrocity propaganda is bad. LGBTQIA+ rights fall into the former category, the overwhelming majority of allegations surrounding Xinjiang fall into the latter. i still don’t understand why you think that oppression of LGBT is real, and oppression of uyghurs is exaggeration and propaganda… why is it so OBVIOUS to you that the uyghurs are flourishing, but LGBT people are actually being oppressed? i KNOW actual uyghur people and i KNOW at least one actual gay person in china… i am chinese… i don’t understand how weird internet white knights can wave away the hardships of one group as OBVIOUSLY FAKE (despite likely having never spoken to an actual uyghur person, or even someone from another muslim minority in china), while just arbitrarily believing that china oppresses LGBT people? the uyghurs i know are not rich people who fled the country and hate china because communism took away their stuff (that would be my taiwanese relatives who DID lose all their bourgeoisie privilege to the communists…) why would they be making shit up about what is happening over there? and why would you be so inclined to dismiss what they have to say just to white knight for china? by your logic, there are openly gay chinese youtubers who haven’t been executed yet… therefore, there is no oppression and it’s just western propaganda warping your view of china.

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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml · Dec 08

Because I don’t trust anecdotes from individuals. I’ve spoken with people that think Trump is a communist. I haven’t spoken to your friends, and I don’t know what specifically it is that you’re arguing, because you’ve been vague. I’ve been clear in stating that China isn’t committing genocide against Uyghurs or trying to push out ethnic minorities, and that’s true, but you’ve been far more vague about what it is that you’re trying to argue. The best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective’s Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is explicitly pro-PRC, but this is an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims. I also recommend reading the UN report and China’s response to it. These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz, professional propagandist for the Victims of Communism Foundation, does. Tourists go to Xinjiang all the time. You can watch videos like this one on YouTube, though it obviously isn’t going to be a comprehensive view of course. I don’t know if you’ve been to Urumqi, or Xinjiang in general, but this is another way that we can see what’s actually going on. The ideas pushed by the west, ie mass sterilization, an erasure of Uyghur culture and language, mass killings of Uyghurs, etc are nearly entirely devoid of evidence.

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