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@abbadon420@sh.itjust.works on sh.itjust.works Open parent

aaand it's closed again

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@panda_abyss@lemmy.ca on lemmy.ca Open parent

It’s glaringly obvious that Israel is just there to sabotage every diplomatic avenue the US might take. And the US is basically getting cuckolded as Israel gets everything it wants and the US just impotently watches and pays for it all. There’s really no excuse for Israel to be doing this, and they also assassinated negotiators earlier. They really do not want any peace treaty or the US to pull out.

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@sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com on lemmy.dbzer0.com Open parent

The Iranians know that Trump cannot actually guarantee that Israel will stop doing anything, that Trump has no realistic ability to force Israel to stop, due to basically lets say, his ties to Israeli intelligence cough cough, and his domestic political situation. … What they almost certainly actually want from the US is a withdrawal from region, cessation between US+GCC<->Iran hostilities, some kind of recognition of some kind of Hormuz tolling set up (they want that as a UN resolution, revenue split with Oman, the idea is the toll would replace demands for reparation payments), and something approximating a pledge of neutrality from the US in the ongoing exchanges between Iran and Israel. They want the US to effectively bow out and also admit that the Israelis are insane and the US is impotent to stop/control them. They will of course act outraged and surprised that the US, under Republicans, cannot actually stop its rabid ally… but they obviously already know that to be the case. The Iranians are literally the most rational actor in this conflict. They want to essentially be the new ones to cuck the US. They do that… petrodollar ain’t lookin so hot now is it? Anyway, its important to remember that both the US and Iran have stated that they’ve agreed to an outline for negotiating a solid, actual deal, with a 14 day ceasefire for those negotiations to actually take place. Nobody has actually, technically, said that anything other than ‘lets stop shooting each other for 14 days and hammer out a deal.’ But, because this is being so heavily propogandized by… basically everyone involved… a whole lot of people are not actually reading what people have actually said. Apparently its very difficult in the Twitter era, for people to comprehend a complex, conditional, nuanced statement. Hooray for media literacy, which is downstream of just literal literacy.

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They will of course act outraged and surprised that the US, under Republicans, cannot actually stop its rabid ally… but they obviously already know that to be the case. Coincidentally, the USA under Democrats built Israel, and continued to finance it to this very day THOSE DAMN REPUBLICANS STOP COPYING DEMOCRATS

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