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United we rule, divided we fall
cross-posted from: lemmy.world/post/45577075 United we stand, divided we fall
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@orioler25@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent
Is a shining beacon on the hill meant to be like, not religious?
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@whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com on lemmy.dbzer0.com Open parent
There’s nothing intrinsically religious about the symbolism of light or raising objects representing virtues while lowering vices, the architecture with columns likely representing secular legal and judicial institutions architecture at the time. it was published in 1890 in a publication called the truth seeker, Winthrop’s 1630 speech wasn’t popularized until the 1960s by JFKs '61 speech.
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@orioler25@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent
Mhm, now you’re recognizing the cultural and historical contexts, which is good, but you’re doing it as though it is insulated from religiosity. Yes, they are likely drawing on the neoclassical architecture that the US was and is obsessed with, have you considered why that is and specifically why it is popular in a culturally Christian country? Ever seen the inside of the capitol building’s dome constructed in 1865 (literally called The Apotheosis of Washington?) Yes, liberals have and continue to act religiously about their ideology, and “objectivity” is a major element in how they legitimised it in response to secularism. Social darwinism, something that has never been scientifically substantiated but none the less has had tremendous influence on “secular” thinkers, emerged in the US for the same reason in the mid- to late-nineteenth century. The image you posted draws on the imagery it draws on exactly because it is legible to Christians and draws on Christian values.
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@Mulligrubs@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent
There’s nothing Christian about the image you’ve posted though, it’s kind of a thumb in the eye of Christianity if you take some time to look
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@orioler25@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent
Wow, I’m not going to lie, I’m surprised I have to explain this particular element of this. So, the thing is, people can say something and mean something different. I picked social Darwinsism as an example both because it was “secular,” was proliferated through the US largely through Christian proselytization, and happened to legitimise preexisting settler-colonial notions of race and class. When people say it isn’t Christian, they are doing so to salvage those settler values (inextricably linked to Christianity both ideogically and historically), not actually transition away from them. In the same way liberals today will often speak of anti-racism and anti-transphobia, but never about how those movements are fundamentally opposed to a liberal system. Also, this may be a result of the difference in Christian architecture through much of the US today, but the painting of Washington in the clouds with angels on the inside of a dome is nearly triggering for me in its familiarity as someone who has been subjected to Christian and Catholic churches for much of my life. Even if that wasn’t so, and this was meant to evoke some vague sense of divinity, I’m afraid that would still be religious, and the fact that it is in a neoclassical building further demonstrates the attempted continuity between ancient Roman and Greek imperialism through the evokation of their religious iconography, which is where much of the Christian imagery in Euro-imperialist countries developed from. You know why JFK used Winthrop? Anxiety over his identity as a Catholic in a majority Protestant country. If you don’t actually analyze what people say, and only take them at face value, you are going to be taken advantage of very often. Now, before you respond, you worded this comment as though you think youre some authority on the topic (stating your views as fact), so I hope you can at least stop and reconsider how you know what you think in light of this.
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I’m sorry, it appears that you’ve confused angels with “Greek Gods”, like Dionysus, Poseidon, Hermes, etc. Ouch, very embarrassing for you. Clouds and sun are not any more “Christian” than Apollo and Icarus. You may want to research basic Greek Mythology and look again; the architecture is also classical Greek, about as Christian as the Great Pyramids. Also, you might want to refresh your internal definition of “apotheosis”, educate yourself so you don’t humiliate your family any further.
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