2024-04-12 13:43 UTC
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@ralfmaximus@mastodon.social 2024-04-12 14:09
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io It would reduce mental illness, anxiety, stress, domestic violence (in multiple ways!) and goose the economy like never before. Overnight.
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@larsmb@mastodon.online 2024-04-12 14:37
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io It is thus too much of a threat to the to exploitative class.
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@MachineLordZero@mastodon.social 2024-04-12 14:39
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io yeah it turns out if we give people the means to do stuff beyond struggle to survive, they do stuff beyond struggle to survive weird, right?
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@goran@oour.org 2024-04-12 14:53
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io but, but, but... who will do all those dangerous/unhealthy jobs for less-than-a-living-wage, one injury away from bankruptcy, and constantly teetering on the edge of starvation? /s
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@textualdeviance@retro.pizza 2024-04-12 17:11
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io I'm in favor of UBI, but this is bullshit reasoning. We already know why poverty exists. We don't need to imagine that there are brilliant philosophers or artists who haven't yet graced us with their work solely because they're broke. UBI is the moral and sensible* thing to do, even if everyone it goes to is just average. *Assuming it also comes with inflation controls to avoid making the extra circulating money a wash
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@HighlandLawyer@mastodon.social 2024-04-12 18:39
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io Even assuming it were true*, wouldn't it be worth it for them to be quiet law-abiding citizens, consuming products produced by everyone who want more than the bare minimum (thereby supporting the economy) AND the moral & practical benefits of there being no-one starving, homeless, ill, & on the edges of society? *Look at the hereditary wealthy for statistics of idle versus active when income is not a significant issue.
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@truthposter@mastodon.social 2024-04-12 19:39
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io If I had UBI, I could start a business immediately. I can't do it at all now. Just trying to survive at this point.
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@LordCaramac@discordian.social 2024-04-12 20:47
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io The real problem is how to finance the UBI. The only way that makes sense is by raising taxes for the rich, but the rich and the politicians they own will do everything they can to stop that from happening.
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@12@eightpoint.app 2024-04-12 20:48
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io and that's exactly why the ruling class can never allow it
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@KitMuse@eponaauthor.social 2024-04-12 21:48
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io It also indicates that we, as a society, value the caregivers, those who are unable to work for whatever reason, students, lifelong learners, etc. UBI would benefit children, parents, sandwich generation, because it would mean that the hard choices would be made easier.
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@bignose@theblower.au 2024-04-13 01:33
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io > Myth: Universal Basic Income is a magnet for the idle. In a sense, it's true. Just, not the same idle group as people mean when they repeat that myth. The idle group we need to beware of, are the #RentierClass who will endlessly seek to claw back any value temporarily placed in the hands of working people. So, IMO any UBI can only work well, if we also #TaxTheWealthy so much they no longer have power to extract value from those who depend on UBI.
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@elmyra@wandering.shop 2024-04-13 09:30
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io but people who aren't worrying about their next meal are so much harder to exploit by capital.
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@bedcheetos@woem.men 2024-05-21 17:29
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io shocker: death and hunger isn’t the best motivator