Post #4259787
2026-07-19 13:03 UTC
@failedLyndonLaRouchite@mas.to @afewbugs@social.coop
But also, there is lots of science that has NOT been hoarded by scientists (or others --- it's usually others, but sure, there are problematic scientists too). In my personal observation, the vast majority of scientists want to share. (In part, because the vast majority of science is not immediately valuable. The vast majority of science has impact too far in the future [decades] for it to be profitable to the 6-month-horizon capitalists.)
The entire computer science field was created by open source sharing that was not "held". In the neuro and cognitive science fields that I currently live in, progress has consistently been from sharing new ideas openly. (There are no cases of held science turning into $$$ in cogneuro or computer science. In fact, all the $$$ cases have come from people using openly shared ideas. This is true even in the notoriously capitalist AI world.) Even in biochemistry, there have been positive examples (e.g. insulin).
I would argue that (in my observations) those scientists who have hoarded ideas have generally failed scientifically relative to those who have shared. Good science wants to be free because it very much is a non-zero sum game.
Scientists are human and fall victim to the societal structure they live in. The problem is the current scientific publishing structure depends on these capitalist predators / parasites leeching off of our actual work. This publishing structure provides nothing for scientific communication. Moreover, it is not a hoarding of scientific knowledge so that the scientists can make $$$ on it. Scientists are losing $$$ to those publishers.
It's frustrating that this is why we can't have nice things. :(
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@failedLyndonLaRouchite@mas.to 2026-07-19 14:03
@adredish@neuromatch.social @afewbugs@social.coop I can only talk about my experience in biomedical research, and how a lot of science is hoarded till a patent if filed, and of course a patent is in and of itself a hoarding technique I don't know how, across all of "science" common hoarding is If you want to say it is 10 - 20%, I'm fine with that
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@failedLyndonLaRouchite@mas.to 2026-07-19 14:07
@adredish@neuromatch.social @afewbugs@social.coop you say , quote "The entire computer science field was created by open source sharing that was not "held". " and I say ATT UNIX patents right ? and Intel was, under andy grove, famously paranoid and secretive ?