Post #374205
2026-02-22 11:42 UTC
Replies (14)
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@goncourt@mastodon.social 2026-02-22 11:48
@Tinido «we whiled away the hours together in good cheer» schreibe ich in meinen Wappen.
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@wortezimmer@ruhr.social 2026-02-22 11:54
@Tinido 1200 war Ende für mich.
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@mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org 2026-02-22 12:54
@Tinido this is fun! Sadly the author does not seem to be on Fedi? I wonder if @yvanspijk could read all this just as is… (Yoïn, spoilers ahead so if you want to play, read the OP article first.) I first got slight troubles in the 1500s when there began to be occasional words I didn’t know. I guess I would just have to look them up in the dictionary as I need to do today for some English words. These that troubled me were distinct from those that would trouble a native speaker, for I’m German and know Latin, inflection gave me only a little pause, we had long s ourselves, and I knew thorn, eth, and even yogh and wynn. 1200 was when it mostly lost me. I don’t know Old High German, so even after I figured out the… well… double u, and identified wif as woman, I only could follow a larger part of the story, but not all of it any more. 1100, well. I got that they were to marry. That’s that. yfel was understood, and cƿæþ was clear from context. 1000, I could read more easily than 1100, as in, the writing gave me less tongue-tying, but I understood even less of the words. "næfre ne mihton fram Ƿulfesfleote" was clear but the verb of that sentence not. In retrospect (after having read the summary), ofslean is clear (seeing the dutch connection here), same for forlætan = verlassen. "deorcan stræta þisses grimman stedes" is dark street of this grim… well stede, I don’t know how to put that in English 😹 Stätte.
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@fiepfiepfiep@nrw.social 2026-02-22 13:41
@Tinido Sehr sehr cool, danke!
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@tompsettchris@mastodon.social 2026-02-22 13:46
@Tinido absolutely fascinating, thank you.
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@dimi@chaos.social 2026-02-22 13:58
@Tinido Sehr schöner Tipp! Mal sehen, wie weit ich komme😃
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@gwentlarry@mastodon.social 2026-02-22 14:08
@Tinido Keep in mind there was no such thing as standard written English well understood across the whole country until relatively recently; spoken English even less so. Even today, someone in rural Northumberland would not necessarily clearly understand every word spoken by somebody from rural Devon. Personally, as a reasonably well educated native speaker of English, most (>95%) of Shakespeare is clear to me. Chaucer (late 14th/early 15th C) starts to be a struggle.
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@ubrummack@mastodon.social 2026-02-22 15:41
@Tinido das ist ganz großartig, ich bin bis 1100 gekommen und habe das Wesentliche noch kapiert, aber die Details nicht mehr. 1000 war dann aus.
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@Nike_Leonhard@literatur.social 2026-02-22 16:01
@Tinido 1100 habe ich den ersten Satz noch erschließen können, aber das war's dann auch. Sehr spannend!
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@Hahnholio@mastodon.social 2026-02-22 17:35
@Tinido Uh, very nice one. I managed to get to the 1300 and after that it was really hard to decipher, but then I'm no native speaker mind you.
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@Pterry@fnordon.de 2026-02-22 17:40
@Tinido als Deutsch-Muttersprachlerin hab ich im Prinzip einen kleinen Vorteil, wenn die lateinischen Vokabeln wegfallen, aber irgendwann kann ich nur noch grober Erzählfaden und keine Details und ab 1100 nix mehr
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@gemuetsmorchel@troet.cafe 2026-02-22 18:35
@Tinido 98 %. Aber ich bin Altphilologin :)
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@eckes@zusammenkunft.net 2026-02-23 16:18
@Tinido cc @Mela
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@levampyre@chaos.social 2026-03-02 14:02
@Tinido Ich finde es komisch, dass er schreibt: "eth (ð) means the same as thorn (þ)". Eigentlich, dachte ich, sei das nicht der Fall, weil ð ein aspiriertes [d] ist, also stimmthaft und ð und þ m.W. im Altenglischen sowohl klanglich verschiede als auch bedeutungsunterscheidene Laute sind, also zumindest je weiter man zeitlich zurück geht. Oder liege ich falsch?