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2026-06-09 16:09 UTC

Even if you combine the casualties from both sides before 2022, they still wouldn’t be even a fraction of what has happened during the full-scale war It’s not a fraction. 15850 in total after 2022. 5600 before in Donbass alone. An attack on a children’s hospital would be caricaturally evil. And only 2 deaths? Sounds like that could be from air defense misfiring or downing something on the way to somewhere else. Confirms my limited collateral dammage. I don’t believe for one minute that would be the target. That hospital could be gone if they wanted it, and the rest of Kiev with it. It is nothing like the almost daily attacks on markets in Donetsk with countless more civilians killed. There is a pattern, so no I don’t believe anything the ukros claim. Like the ridiculous story where they blamed Russians for targeting the nuclear plant in Zaporizia. As if they would bomb that while it was in their possession.

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@Shatur@discuss.tchncs.de 2026-06-09 18:40

Okay, maybe I rushed with “any source”. 15850 are UN numbers, but 5600 comes from TASS. If look at UN numbers it’s 3404. In the graph you can also see that most casualties happened in first 2 years, after that it was a cold conflict. And only 2 deaths? Okay, what about the Hroza strike, which killed 52 people? Or the recent attack on Kyiv after the Ukrainian college strike, when a house was struck by a drone twice - doesn’t that sound like an air defense system malfunctioned? That hospital could be gone if they wanted it, and the rest of Kiev with it. So do Ukraine could kill civilians more actively. Surely not on the same scale as Russia, but still. This doesn’t happen because it isn’t practical, both in terms of media and money. It is nothing like the almost daily attacks on markets in Donetsk with countless more civilians killed. So do Ukrainian-controlled towns have also been hit by Russian attacks, including markets and shops. Like the ridiculous story where they blamed Russians for targeting the nuclear plant in Zaporizia. And I agree with you here. I don’t think it was Russia. But it’s not like only Ukraine tells ridiculous stories. For example, the Kakhovka Dam was blown up by an internal explosion while it was under Russian control, which is suspicious, to say the least.

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