Post #2720176
2026-01-13 07:39 UTC
Replies (5)
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@BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 2026-01-13 07:46
As someone who self-hosts a LLM and trains it on web data regularly to improve my model, I get where your frustration is coming from. But engaging in discourse here where people already have a heavy bias against machine-learning language models is a fruitless effort. No one here is going to provide you catharsis with a genuine conversation that isnt rhetoric. Just put the keyboard down and walk away.
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@GunnarGrop@lemmy.ml 2026-01-13 08:05
Much of it might be freely available data, but there’s a huge difference between you accessing a website for data and an LLM doing the same thing. We’ve had bots scraping websites since the 90’s, it’s not a new thing. And since scraping bots have existed we’ve developed a standard on the web to deal with it, called “robots.txt”. A text file telling bots what they are allowed to do on websites and how they should behave. LLM’s are notorious for disrespecting this, leading to situations where small companies and organisations will have their websites scraped so thoroughly and frequently that they can’t even stay online anymore, as well as skyrocketing their operational costs. In the last few years we’ve had to develop ways just to protect ourselves against this. See the “Anubis” project. Hence, it’s much more important that LLM’s follow the rules than you and me doing so on an individual level. It’s the difference between you killing a couple of bees in your home versus an industry specialising in exterminating bees at scale. The efficiency is a big factor.
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@Disillusionist@piefed.world 2026-01-13 08:08
Is the only imaginable system for AI to exist one in which every website operator, or musician, artist, writer, etc has no say in how their data is used? Is it possible to have a more consensual arrangement? As far as the question about ethics, there is a lot of ground to cover on that. A lot of it is being discussed. I’ll basically reiterate what I said that pertains to data rights. I believe they are pretty fundamental to human rights, for a lot of reasons. AI is killing open source, and claiming the whole of human experience for its own training purposes. I find that unethical.
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@ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2026-01-13 08:58
Yes, they should because they generate way more traffic. Why do you think people are trying to protect websites from AI crawlers? Because they want to keep public data secret? Also, everyone knows AI companies used copyrighted materials and private data without permission. If you think they only used public data you’re uninformed or lying on their behalf.
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@DSTGU@sopuli.xyz 2026-01-14 15:29
For the same reason copyright and licences exist. You may be able to interact with something - because that’s what the license allows you - but still not be able to use it. Companies have faced million dollar fines for using code not subscribed to a license which allows them to do that. You may face trial if you distribute content (e.g. movies or music) you are only allowed to watch. The key here is that unless you are explicitly permitted to use something further it is considered illegal and punishable. Why would it be any different for AI training?