Post #2433636

2024-03-30 12:29 UTC

@mattjhodgkinson@scicomm.xyz @brembs@mastodon.social @villavelius@mastodon.online @Luke_Drury@mastodon.dias.ie @johannes_lehmann@fediscience.org > How will publisher back catalogues be accessed? Let 'em go bankrupt and use LOCKSS :-) / 2 > How will funders enact this reform in fields and regions which they don't fund so have no sway over? Osmosis into those fields from those where funders matter. > Will institutions and researchers acquiesce to funder diktats? Yes, because they want money. > Big publishers may react by withdrawing cooperation. Screw 'em.

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@johannes_lehmann@fediscience.org 2024-03-30 14:18

@mike@sauropods.win @brembs@mastodon.social Hehe, indeed - we’ll find out if Elsevier suddenly realises it could lower APCs. The Gates Foundation is so large (70B$) that even the publisher conglomerates pale in comparison. @mattjhodgkinson@scicomm.xyz Yes, your points are valid & should be discussed, but to quote the Gates Foundation: “New, more equitable models have not gained traction because publishers […] have pushed back when revenue is threatened”. Why wait and waste funds on Springer profits instead of mosquito nets?

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@mike@sauropods.win 2024-03-30 14:26

@mattjhodgkinson@scicomm.xyz @brembs@mastodon.social @villavelius@mastodon.online @Luke_Drury@mastodon.dias.ie @johannes_lehmann@fediscience.org To elaborate on my last response (I didn't have enough space for more than "screw 'em"): Big publishers will ALWAYS react by doing whatever they think will increase their short-term profits. It's in their nature. We need to face the reality that they will never ever be our allies in the transition we want to make, and get used to the idea that we need to do this without them — and indeed in the face of their active opposition.

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