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Post #2222649

2026-04-20 23:29 UTC

@danmcd@hostux.social @SystemsAppr@discuss.systems That piece struck me as way over-simplified in some dimensions. The piece felt focused more on "the box" rather than the protocols it is performing inside. (And it seemed to ignore things related to traffic engineering - MPLS, SDN, even ATM's old VCI/VPI stuff.) Nor did it mention basic repeaters - or as we called 'em "Ethernet Hubs". For a while we had the term "brouter" for a box that did both Ethernet switching/bridging and IP routing. And there has been a many-decades long, but unspoken war, between IETF and IEEE over whether to build nets using IP packet switching or ever larger Ethernet/802 meshes. Being essentially a repair-person, this lack of clarity of understanding scares me. I have concern that we are building networks that are increasingly difficult to monitor, diagnose, and repair - and our security concerns are making those jobs even harder. Our modern thinking that protocol layers are independent and isolated can mask many potential sources of problems and failures.

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  • @danmcd@hostux.social 2026-04-21 15:27

    @karlauerbach@sfba.social @SystemsAppr@discuss.systems To be fair to them, they are trying to solve for a combination of instruction and current-deployments. I have a big-fricking "switch" but I use it to replace a bunch of small 8-port netgear trusty blue-GS1xx, because they don't make the equivalent in 1/2.5/5/10G yet. My routers are #illumos zones. I like smaller pieces for the same reasons of understanding & repairability. One of the @SystemsAppr@discuss.systems folks was a strong proponent of micro-protocols.

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