Post #2171940

2026-05-06 22:07 UTC

@Ikonaka The thing is, that I fundamentally reject your notion of “men” being a problem. That is an incredibly sexist take in fact. There are men that are bad people (just like there are women and enbies that are bad people!), and there are benefits *and disadvantages, don’t forget about those(!),* to being a man, and there are big issues with the concept of gender roles and what is prescribed in them, but some people (roughly 50% of them in fact), being men is decidedly not a problem! And if you can’t see why, I’d be curious whether you would tell a trans men to his face that he transitioned into “a problem”? The “privileges” that men get where so shit to me, that I believed for a long time that I was only interested in transition because I wanted to escape them so badly. This is what effectively cost me my twenties! Truly amazing how great those privileges were, with there being almost nothing in my life I was happier “loosing”… And calling men who are decent human beings, and most of them are(!), that this makes them class traitors, and less of a man is like the most counterproductive talking point you can make here. That’s like saying “all women are devils, but it’s okay, because you can reject your womanhood and thereby be a good person”… Like, how would you feel about that? Could you take a person making that point serious and respect their opinion on anything remotely related to that topic afterwards? Also, another thing I keep having to remind people of: Having privilege is neither a bad thing, nor something you should reject, nor something that you should feel bad about. The problem with a privilege is that some people do not have it, the goal has to be to give it to everyone! My privilege of having grown up in a family with two loving parents is for example something everyone should have, not something that I need to reject or that we should take away from everyone who has it, that would be the completely wrong approach of just making everyone equally miserable.

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@Ikonaka@blahaj.zone 2026-05-07 07:34

First of all I am not a firm subscriber to the beliefs of gender abolitionism (GA). I do however belief that the sticker comes from a gender abolitionist (GA) viewpoint. Second gender abolitionism calls for the abolition of all gender, so yes women too. “all women are devils, but it’s okay, because you can reject your womanhood and thereby be a good person” is very bad faith in my opinion the actual take from a GA point would be. "the social/gender role of woman/men is bad for humanity and should be abolished to overcome patriarchy" would you call that sexist? You could argue so, but I would not say that it is problematic as it basically just wants to loose the basis on which sexism exists. Now why do GA's often first call for the abolition of men? Men are the pillars of patriarchy they hold inherent power and in the system and hold far greater means to overthrow it since they have the power in it. When I first explored ideas of GA for me I absolutely did speak to binary trans men and women of whether we are reinforcing binary gender norms and patriarchal concepts by conforming to binary gender norms and thus part of the problem. I am a binary trans woman myself. Because I came to the conclusion that I do not think GA is that good but I would not denounce it on the basis of sexism. On privileges, patriarchy hurts men? No shit! What? Forcing gender roles on people hurts them even if it elevates their status in social hierarchy? Who could have guessed. This is basically just an argument for GA Men who are decent human beings are not class traitor. They are class traitors when they stop being men. That was my statement. Also having privileges is a bad thing.If we were to succeed in the goal to give everyone privileges, they would not be privileges anymore they would be the standard. A privilege by definition needs someone to not have it which is why I reject them. And I reject the notion of privilege as one "having grown up in a family with two loving parents is for example something everyone should have" Like why two parents? Some people dont have any bio parents can they still have childhood in other support systems that makes them happy and fullfille? Yes ofc. This feels like you just projecting what you think should be the "right" way of growing up and calling that a privilege. Most importantly I want say again that I am not a follower of gender abolitionism, I just wanted to point out that the sexism allegations are either not correct or if you were to define GA as sexist then I would call the sexism not "bad" as it goes against all gender.

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