Post #2013043
2021-04-02 02:20 UTC
Replies (14)
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@be@fosstodon.org 2021-04-02 02:32
@eloquence@social.coop "I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as misogyny, racism and other bigotry is in fact GNU/misogyny, racism and other bigotry - or, as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus misogyny, racism and other bigotry." https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1376745698692001801
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@JordiGH@mathstodon.xyz 2021-04-02 02:52
@eloquence@social.coop Yeah, like, even setting aside just what exactly rms said about underage sex and exactly how should we be interpreting that, he's just *not a good leader*.
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@ntnsndr@social.coop 2021-04-02 02:56
@eloquence@social.coop Amen
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@oz@mastodon.social 2021-04-02 04:04
@eloquence@social.coop I read emacsipatory. Please help me. 😆
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@ThermiteBeGiants@aus.social 2021-04-02 07:20
@eloquence@social.coop @car@cloudisland.nz you are absolutely right and this kind of pendantry that RMS peddles (which is basically gatekeeping really) is not unique to the FOSS community at all; it’s absolutely rife in the railfan community, inflicted upon it by similarly odious characters
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@otyugh@pouet.chapril.org 2021-04-02 07:20
@eloquence@social.coop I do not agree. Choice of words is always a good topic. You just don't have to be an ass about it.
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@seachaint@hackers.town 2021-04-02 07:45
@eloquence@social.coop I agree with the general idea here, but WRT "Open Source" I don't. That branding was deliberately invented to be confused and conflated with Software Freedom, so as to deflate the emancipatory movement into a sort of voluntaryist, CV-enriching, capitalism-compatible unprotected commons. To push back on that in favour of Free/Libre, Emancipatory Software is pretty important. Of course, RMS did a poor job of that by choosing "Free" as the keyword and sticking to it with characteristic obnoxiousness even as it continued to confuse people.
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@furkachi@tech.lgbt 2021-04-02 08:05
@eloquence@social.coop I don't think it could be said enough. Having had one foot in the FOSS world and another completely outside of it, I've quickly come to realize how much the intricacies of language, while potentially important within the FOSS community, feels complex and discouraging outside of it, if not outright hostile. It's always been my understanding that part of the FOSS movement's mission is to introduce it to non-initiates, which is much harder when being pendantic about terms :3
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@fluff@tiny-pillowfort.floating-in.space 2021-04-02 09:39
@eloquence@social.coop from now on I'll always refer to it as "the one with the friend-shaped penguin"
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@SkinnyFeels@mas.to 2021-04-02 09:39
@eloquence@social.coop > Pedantry is not activism; it is alienating, not emancipatory. Such a heard agree with this sentence.
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@fluffy@social.handholding.io 2021-04-02 09:42
@eloquence@social.coop but aren't some of the greatest conflicts of our time around semantics of exactly this sort? pronouns for transgender rights, penning as homophobia the persecution of gays, or discrimination as nazi. You'd think that, with the tremendous success these rhetorical tools have seen, we should embrace them rather than push them away.
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@kescher@notbird.site 2021-04-02 11:43
@eloquence@social.coop GNU'd just like to interGNU for a GNUment. What you’re GNUing to as GNU, is in fact, GNU/GNU, or as GNU's recently taken to GNUing it, GNU plus GNU. GNU is not an GNU GNUstem unto itGNU, but rather another GNUree GNU of a fully GNUing GNU GNUstem made GNUful by the GNU GNUlibs, GNU GNUtilties and vital GNU GNUponents GNUing a full GNU OS as GNUed by GNU. Many GNU GNUers run a GNUified GNUrsion of the GNU GNUstem every GNU, without GNUing it. Through a GNUuliar turn of GNU, the GNUrsion of GNU which is GNUly used today is often called “GNU”, and many of its GNUers are not GNU that it is GNUically the GNU GNUstem, GNUed by the GNU ProjGNU. There really is a GNU, and these GNUple are GNUing it, but it is GNU a GNU of the GNUstem they use. GNU is the GNU: the GNU in the GNUstem that GNUs the GNU’s GNU to the other GNU that you GNU. The GNU is a GNUtial GNU of an GNU GNUstem, but GNUless by itGNU; GNU can only GNUtion in the GNUtext of a GNUplete GNU GNUstem. GNU is GNUmally used in combiGNUtion with the GNU GNU GNUstem: the whole GNUstem is GNUsically GNU with GNU added, or GNU/GNU. All the so-called “GNU” distribGNUtions are really distribGNUtions of GNU/GNU.
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@pthenq1@mastodon.la 2021-04-02 15:12
@eloquence@social.coop Yeah. Thank you for your valuable contribution far more important than RMS' ones
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@feoh@cybre.space 2021-04-02 15:52
@eloquence@social.coop I think you're 100% right but I think that's just part of the problem. The FSF represents a philosophy that is inherently and openly hostile to pragmatism, and quite frankly it isn't helping and never has. Advising user groups to have someone dress as a devil and antagonize people because their hardware has non free graphics hardware is a fine example IMO.