Premium Privacy Services: are they really that private ?
2026-04-24 21:17 UTC
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@Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 2026-04-25 06:14
Currently Google takes all your data, bundles it up, and sells it to the US government (and basically anyone else willing to pay). The goal of these paid privacy services is not necessarily to prevent the government from getting your information, but rather to make sure the government at least needs to ask for it first. There are few services that offer both anonymity and privacy, they do exist but nobody really needs that level of privacy unless they’re journalists, whistleblowers, activists, or criminals. There’s also security reasons, having your messages out in the open unencrypted is a security risk.
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@MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2026-04-26 09:50
You’re still using someone else’s computer.
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@Zoma@sh.itjust.works 2026-04-26 18:20
Anything you pay for will only be as anonymous as the payment method you use, things like bitcoin are not really anonymous since buying bitcoin without know your customer regulations is hard. If your adversary has the resources or your threat model is high enough even paying by mailing cash proposes a risk which is why things like tor need to be free. My advice is get a password manager and create unique long passwords and never reuse usernames to prevent doxxing threats, I use keepassXc for everything even my bank.
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@doodoo_wizard@lemmy.ml 2026-04-24 22:14
The real question is what you’re trying to accomplish and why. That informs your choices. Privacy, security and anonymity are different things.
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@Steve@communick.news 2026-04-25 00:07
> Is this more of an argument of privacy vs anonymity? Exactly! Privacy and anonymity are two seperate things. You can be post things publicly and be anonymous. You can post things privately to people who know you. Having your credit card would prevent anonymity, not privacy.
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@ropatrick@lemmy.world 2026-04-24 21:27
I guess when you pay with a credit card, theres limited information being shared. Taking things at face value, you are paying for a service that wont track you, see your data, give away your data etc. Looking at it in terms of privacy vs. anon is a good way to look at it. If you want anonymity, you won't be using a credit card I assume, unless it's a throwaway you can top up. I imagine people who want full anonymity would be using stuff that's more specialised and niche than the likes of Proton etc., likely FOSS stuff, home servers, services without login/registration. Privacy is like a step away from anonymity in that regard I think.
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@hersh@literature.cafe 2026-04-25 02:18
There are services that allow anonymous payments. I think Proton, Mailbox.org, and Posteo all accept cash payments. Kagi has a "privacy pass" feature, which uses some fancy ephemeral authentication tokens that are not traceable to your specific account. You lose personalized settings, naturally (like site rankings) but you can do searches that aren't directly tied to your account. For email, there's no one-size-fits-all risk model. I mean, my email address is my full name, @ a domain that I own and is itself traceable to me. I have no need for anonymity, but I DO need privacy and security.
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@chigga@lemmy.world 2026-04-26 00:34
you can pay for proton via cash in mailbox (sending cash to their address with account details)
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@FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works 2026-04-25 21:36
I pay for Proton because I'm not tryin to protect myself *from Proton*. I think I could pay with a masked CC if I want. But I don't bother. That isn't part of my threat model. It might be for others, tho.
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@lyralycan@sh.itjust.works 2026-04-24 23:05
>bitcoin isn't cheap Well, you dont have to buy whole digit BTC (or any other cryptocurrency), you can convert like €50 into the wild and sketchy world of unstable currency which will be around 0.0026436362 BTC, but is enough to cover the cost of the transaction. I'm not sure I recommend it, only that it's technically not expensive because you're still using the equivalent of your currency, with a transitional currency. >things like search that limits options And you can self host SearXNG, metasearch engines are much easier to handle than search engines, and I believe they are private enough -- no tracking or sign in data is communicated through each search API -- but I do not know all there is to know.
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@doodoo_wizard@lemmy.ml 2026-04-26 18:59
Here are two ways to pay for things without the payment method being a direct line to you: Use cash. People will say stupid things like “I’m European and live in a surveillance state and they track the serial numbers!” Let me introduce you to something called “money laundering”. What you do is ask for change or for a big bill. You may need to be a normal person, like a customer of some sort, or a non schizophrenic shut in computer nerd if asking of some person (like a bartender getting off at shift change!). Use a gift card. People will say stupid things like “well, they know you bought a gift card, so they can tie it back to you!” Again, allow me to introduce you to the vagaries of something called money laundering. Have someone else buy and activate the gift card. Heck, if you really want to be a weirdo about it, do it with your friends and put all your other person purchased gift cards in a fishbowl and draw random ones out. Gift card stuff is something to poke and prod at first because different stores and cards have different ways of adhering to kyc.