@madsenandersc@social.vivaldi.net
Post #1916990
2026-04-25 21:31 UTC
@benjaoming
Ah - I think I see where we fundamentally disagree about all of this. We definitely agree on the desired outcome, but not on the means to get there. :)
Basically I think it boils down to the fact that you want a technical solution where different actors have a part in the responsibility and possible culpability, where I want a legal solution that isn't relying on a technical foundation, but rather on a legal framework that outlaws scraping content where it isn't explicitly stated that it is available for AI training.
That brings me back to the application versus protocol again. You can have an application where the content is the payment, and where you as a user allow AI scraping as a way to pay for the service. It will have to be clearly stated that this is the agreement between you and the service provider, like it is today with e.g. Facebook and others.
Think about it: You can either start playing whack-a-mole with flags added to protocols, or you can simply outlaw scraping unless explicitly allowed - protocols be damned.
Either way you will need a legal framework to handle this, and a protocol flag without the legal backing is at best worthless ("Do not track"), at worst a sense of false security.
I think the fight to get a general ban and a ban per protocol will be just about the same.
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@benjaoming@social.data.coop 2026-04-26 08:52
@madsenandersc We shouldn't worry about false security, since AI companies are breaking laws and moral norms constantly 🙃 Legislated opt-in consent is preferable, but it's not an either or. Adding variations of requests that AI scrapers can respect doesn't make an argument for opt-in model sit worse. Instead, it could prove the scale of protest over nonconsensual scraping of social data.