Which instances have the most ban-happy moderators? Analysis inside
2026-05-01 22:54 UTC
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@ryper@lemmy.ca 2026-05-01 23:25
What makes you so sure the moderators are the problem, and not users? Maybe assholes gravitate toward certain instances, or people just don’t bother to check whether an instance’s rules match how tend to they post.
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@mrdown@lemmy.world 2026-05-01 23:18
Dbzero do not tolerate zionism and zionism apologia
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@Skavau@piefed.social 2026-05-01 23:19
I have no idea about pawb.social, but it’s almost certainly heavily bloated by bans for downvoting on AI communities on dbzer0 (and maybe some other communities). I also imagine places like lemmy.world are distorted due to them receiving the lions share of new communities, many of which end up abandoned - whereas smaller, more ‘community’ instances are stricter and will delete troll/spam/abandoned communities.
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@Corgana@startrek.website 2026-05-01 23:22
Very interesting stuff! Defederations should count as a ban of all instance users, imo.
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@Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 2026-05-01 23:25
After hearing for years about how Blahaj is the worst and you will get banned for anything and everything because the mods are so hypersensitive: lol. lmao.
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@hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2026-05-01 23:26
It’s the “anarchist” mindset 🫣
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@Quokka@quokk.au 2026-05-01 23:39
This is a pretty disappointing post Rimu. It appears very out of character from your usual content and feels like a bit of a hit piece. Also why post it to !fediverse@lemmy.world when you have !fediverse@piefed.social?
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@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-05-01 23:46
We have dedicated anti ai trolls who go and get banned from dozen of genai comms, make alts then go and get banned again. We have serial harassers who make dozen of accounts and go and spew bigotry. Your methodology is so flawed, it’s laughable. Did you even check the age of the accounts being banned?The amount of comments? The amount of downvotes? Cross-reference with other instance bans? Check if their own instance banned them? Did you have any amount of rigor before throwing out your half-assed conclusions? There’s lies, damn lies, and statistics…
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@CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 2026-05-02 00:16
I feel like this makes sense for very politically focused spaces, especially for less “mainstream” ideas like db0’s anarchist communities, just cause not every community will allow arguments about their stance, and even ones that do will see more arguments turn into flame wars and incivility than communities for which there simply isnt as much for heated arguments to start over, especially when the arguments arent always something “new” to that space and might just be someone from outside noticing and saying “your ideology is bad because [insert reason that community has probably heard enough before to be tired of]”. Am a bit curious about why pawb is so high though, Ive not really noticed much of the hate that furries sometimes would get on other platforms (I guess it could be because theyre all banned but I doubt it, because that wouldnt hide it from communities outside of pawb). The instance administration has always felt rather reasonable whenever Ive seen like instance announcements or defederation decisions or such too, at least by my standards. Itd be interesting maybe to see what communities these bans tend to come from and what reasons are given, just looking through the modlog doesnt seem to help much there given that it doesnt seem to let one sort by instance.
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@HubertManne@piefed.social 2026-05-02 00:19
I would not be surprised thought is pawb does not draw more intentional trolls. Its like the one out group that is kinda socially acceptable to make light of their thing.
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@hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2026-05-02 00:37
Yeah, It’s a weak point anyway. While the graphs aren’t detailed research, there’s also no reason to believe dbzer0’s perspective on the same network includes 8 times as many new users as LW for some reason. Or all the users in their communities have 8x worse karma for some external reasons. So we probably need further research.
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@maam@feddit.uk 2026-05-02 00:39
Lemmy.ml is marxist-leninist not marxist. The distinction is very important considering that the former term was created by the tyrant Stalin.
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@Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2026-05-02 00:58
Yeah I can confirm, they defederated our entire instance because I think leftists should vote against Trump.
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@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 2026-05-02 01:02
While it’s fair to note that this is a pretty raw assessment of the data and could potentially be skewed by any number of variables that aren’t being accounted for, it agrees with my anecdotal experience and therefore I choose to believe it. Some servers take a more laissez faire approach and others take a more authoritarian approach, and that’s fine because joining a server is a voluntary act. No one is being subjected to anything unwillingly, they are choosing an experience that works for them. Tangentially related ruminations But I think it’s definitely valuable for people to recognize and be aware of the fact that certain servers tend to censor dissenting voices and create a walled garden environment. This is not inherently a bad thing, but it can be frustrating when users develop fairly extreme viewpoints as a result of this curated environment, and then react strongly when confronted with more mainstream perspectives. It’s good to explore different perspectives and see what the mainstream is getting wrong, but if you insulate yourself from the mainstream entirely, you kinda reduce your ability to actually challenge it. Like you can follow your own intellectual path and end up wherever you end up, but that’s a solo mission. If you feel like where you ended up intellectually is better than where you started and you want to share that with others, you actually need to walk back down the path, reconnect with the mainstream, and lead others step by step down your alternate path. It’s not effective to just stay in your obscure branch and yell at people about how wrong they are, you need to actively lead them through the sequence of rational steps that got you from point A to point B. And in many cases, they will nitpick and try to disagree at each step, because there’s an inherent inertia where humans simply don’t like to change their opinions unless it becomes absolutely unavoidable. Furthermore, the intellectual path that you followed could just be straight up wrong/illogical, and the opinions you are trying to change could actually have been right all along, and you might be the one who is actually wrong. So it’s a very scary thing to engage in such a way.
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@Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-05-02 01:13
Hi Rimu, I see you’ve banned one of the communities I moderate !europe@lemmy.dbzer0.com, deleting it entirely from your instance and denying access to members who had subscribed from there. Two questions if you don’t mind. Why are you so ban happy? Was there something wrong with the community or was this based on your personal feelings of a particular user?
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@rimu@piefed.social 2026-05-02 01:21
I was surprised to find that dbzer0 has 290 communities.
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@Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2026-05-02 02:25
Yeah, without any evidence. All of the evidence that I’m a “troll” is pictures of Me saying people should vote against Trump.
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@OpenStars@piefed.social 2026-05-02 03:19
Wow this is really interesting. Actually this might be a great time to ask you for a feature request: lately I’ve been banned from SO MANY AI communities located on dbzer0, the trouble with that being that I’ve literally never heard of any of these, much less interacted with any of them, presumably even with a downvote. Is this “harassment” then, to be preemptively banned from something on some other server that I had no intention of ever going to? What if someone were to create 10 communities a day and ban someone from them all? I guess that one would get noticed and shut down, but I would not put it past an AI content generator to do just this sort of thing, if it were given the ability to do so. Anyway, perhaps those notifications could be silenced unless I’ve ever commented or at least voted in the community that I am being banned from? I don’t need to know or care about something that I have zero interest in - these unsolicited bans are spam.
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@Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2026-05-02 04:09
Okay, fair enough, I respect your opinion.
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@OpenStars@piefed.social 2026-05-02 04:36
I’ve only had a single moderator event since I made this account, well over a year ago except a featuring & unfeaturing of a post - huh, I didn’t even know about that one!). Then one day I wake up with like 10 bans in my notifications area, from what looks to be pro-AI communities. They did not merely claim to be acting on the safe side with a generic message, they specifically called me names as in an “Anti-AI Troll”. Fwiw I consider myself as someone who desires a more nuanced view of how LLM usage might be appropriate in various real-world scenarios than your average Lemming. It’s not my fault that corporations are deploying technology before it is ready and that the results are exceedingly untrustworthy right now - though ironically I was actually thinking about trying to find a legitimately more helpful and nuanced place that allows those kinds of discussions. Naive optimism is a biased method of thinking, but so too is pessimism, and if at all possible I prefer realism. And I don’t want to exist purely inside of an echo chamber, you know? Which is why I avoid Lemmy.ml communities and users, and apparently I need to start doing the same with dbzer0 ones as well. They aren’t quite part of the Tankie Triad, but highly ironically, their admins allow mods that are instead somehow even more authoritarian than them? Like, I’ve never actually been banned by Lemmy.ml on any of my accounts (that I am aware of) - probably bc I do avoid those communities. While on the other hand dbzer0 (apparently) preemptively instance-banned me 4 times in a row last week - not even unbanning me in between them, just like stuttering or mashing the ban button EXTRA hard! Edit: this is starting to look more and more like a bug in PieFed’s modlog display, as in displaying a blank community name or some such, thank you to dbzer0 for correcting me here. I will leave the graphic because it is funny and because it still applies to all the mods on dbzer0 who are enabled and protected by but not actually the same as the admin team. Now I know what people mean when they said that being banned from Lemmy.ml was a badge of honor, good riddance! I do find it sad that others are still going to have to discover this on their own though, as dbzer0 converts to authoritarianism like Lemmy.ml (and AN seems on its way to becoming a second Hexbear). A year or so ago, I had true respect for dbzer0 - especially the head admin. I don’t know what happened exactly but I don’t like the result one bit:-(. Anyway yeah, I can’t fight back against these abusive words, and if an instance decides to ban me four times a day for the foreseeable future, there is nothing is can do about that either - it almost seems like people are weaponizing the modlog, or at least revealing that someone could do that if they wanted to. I guess it is up to each instance what level of abusiveness they want to allow to their users from these shitty modlog practices. My own “fight” (that I did not realize I was even in?) with them seems over, but this absolutely will affect MANY other users as well. As the OP graphs show - these numbers reflect REAL events, with REAL stories behind them, affecting REAL people.
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@artyom@piefed.social 2026-05-02 04:46
Ah shit, I don’t know what to make of this, but it’s juicy
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@Cataphract@lemmy.ml 2026-05-02 04:52
I don’t know why but the way this post was written made me read it in Tim Pool’s voice. Guess I gotta lay off majority report videos for a while now. Glad to see push back and acknowledgement in the comments that this data is irrelevant. It’s neat, but way too many factors and stretching of meanings which makes this a worthless analysis (with a very blatant bias in the reporting).
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@ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-05-02 05:21
Ah, time for some drama entertainment. I already grabbed the popcorn and some drinks.
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@slazer2au@lemmy.world 2026-05-02 05:47
You are there because when you ban someone on an instance level, you also ban them on a community level, which inflates your numbers. DB0 does the same thing.
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@drmoose@lemmy.world 2026-05-02 05:50
Unsurprisingly .ml is a shithole everyone thinks it is.
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@slazer2au@lemmy.world 2026-05-02 05:58
I guess you don’t filter out things like dubvee or DB0 who when you get banned on an instance level you will also be banned on a tonne of communities or if you downvote one post in a community run by draconic neo they will ban you from half a dozen communities inflating their numbers.
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@Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2026-05-02 06:50
its so funny how people complained about blahaj, the trans instance yet they dont ban very high at all, i suspect its alot of transphobic comments being directed towards the instance that are getting people banned. blahaj is up there likely due to signicant transphobia too.
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@Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 2026-05-02 07:16
Here’s an explanation of the pawb.social numbers:
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@meldrik@lemmy.wtf 2026-05-02 07:53
Is this permanent bans and/or temporary bans?
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@qaz@lemmy.world 2026-05-03 20:56
Could you make a graph with defederations? I suspect that plays a role
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@Jumi@lemmy.world 2026-05-03 20:01
Me, scrolling through the comments: 
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@wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2026-05-03 20:46
Db0 users calling lemmy.world and feddit.org "ban happy" are gonna have an aneurysm. So very anarchist of them policing their instances heavier than literally any other.
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@StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works 2026-05-03 14:55
Wow some of y'all are pissy AF over literal data being shown to you. If you think it's wrong then you have free will, put your money where your mouth is and do it better or stop yapping.
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@WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2026-05-03 18:04
Why are furries so ban happy? Holy shit.
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@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-05-03 06:50
Alternative view: Why is dbzer0 the only instance that holds people accountable for their actions? Why are all other instances letting things slide?
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@ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2026-05-03 05:14
> What happens if we do a ratio of bans vs number of users? We get a graph that compares two unrelated values? Unless this data is purely internal instance user bannings, 'Per capita' has no effective meaning. As the pawb.social case shows: it's all one user with multiple communities who regularly bans waves of sockpuppet brigades. Even the people catching strays or otherwise goes to show it has nothing to do with 'the furries'. Likewise I wager the SJW bans are effectively one community banning essentially one user who periodically spams accounts. > What is it about dbzer0 that makes them such prolific banners? That whole painfully public fued against db0 over their stance on zionism may have something to do with it. Like the fake neo-nazi shit being spread against db0 that was just going on this week. It's a wild question to have in light of all that, quite frankly.
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@PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-05-03 06:27
"Hey everyone, **look** at my juvenile attempts at statistics! Look how obviously *bad* some people seem when I do a shit job at it while ALSO failing to apply any *context* of the domain being studied to my thoughts, let alone to my 'calculations' and conclusions!" This is a terrible metric from the fucking jump. And you did a shit job of it from there. Fuck you, truly. [Edit: love how ya closed with "so who's weirder guyz, the marxists, the furries, or the db0s?!" Just painfully obvious how you started the whole shebang, you hate all of the groups lol, because you're a dumb asshole and not very happy about being one. Just remember, the option is always yours to simply *shut the fuck up and read, then think*, instead.]
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@W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 2026-05-02 23:24
I just had my first reprimand and banning from a community for the first time in the 3 or so years I’ve been on Lemmy. I don’t regret it. I had no idea that Lemmy.ml believed the Uhygur genocide was a hoax. I decided to block all of Lemmy.ml as a result.
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@daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-05-02 09:36
dbzer0 literally has a community aimed at calling out power tripping mods, and instance admins regularly comment there to call out power tripping mods. I've never have been worried by being banned there by just normal posting. As they have already told you. This does not take into account the amount of harassment that some instances and communities have to endure.
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@atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone 2026-05-02 16:19
i expected blahaj.zone to have more bans since as far as i know its supposed to be a safe place and less tolerant of transphobia (along with there being no downvotes to bury hateful comments and posts)