Post #170711
2026-01-27 04:32 UTC
Replies (29)
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@Skua@kbin.earth 2026-01-27 05:12
Homer's Iliad The Epic Cycle that Homer's Iliad is part of literally has an Aethiopian (Sudanese) army in it. It is also a plot point early in the Odyssey that Athena manages to get Zeus to let Odysseus actually go on the fucking odyssey because Poseidon is away in Aethiopia and therefore can't object Edit: misremembered which poem Memnon was in. The Iliad does contain references to Aethiopia, but Memnon and his army star in a different part of the Trojan War story
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@ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2026-01-27 04:55
What’s that big ol’ thing lying there on the Mediterranean? Oh, its Africa.
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@red_tomato@lemmy.world 2026-01-27 06:36
What’s most immersion breaking is that they put pants on the Greek soldiers.
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@gjoel@programming.dev 2026-01-27 05:44
I'm not commenting on the black people, but it's honestly always such a bullshit take to say that something like lack of consistency in a movie cannot be ruined because it has supernatural elements. Like the actor complaining that people asked him why he didn't lose weight after walking for months, and he points to the dragons. Yes! There are dragons! They are part of Game of Thrones! A guy should still lose weight if he walks for months on a sparse diet! (Also not commenting on having immersion ruined because overweight dude remains overweight, only on the argument)
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@BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 2026-01-27 16:29
Americans are so weirdly racist. Both Europe and Africa are along the Mediterranean. From the southern most point in Greece to the North most point of Africa is less than 400km. The whole region of North Africa and Southern Europe is an ethnic melting pot dating back 1000s of years. But regardless of that, it's Mythology - not a documentary. I'm not looking to be "immersed" in American racism. I have zero issues with the cast representing the world I live in now, because it was made in the world I live in now, and features the people I live with now.
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@wer2@lemmy.zip 2026-01-27 15:23
What about all the Gauls/Celts they cast as Greeks? Complete immersion break. :P Don't they know the ancient Greeks didn't have film technology! How can I watch this?
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@bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2026-01-27 13:59
Africans in the Mediterranean is only immersion-breaking if you're the kind of stupid cunt that cares about shit like this
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@buddascrayon@lemmy.world 2026-01-27 16:41
Yes, and because, as everybody knows, black people didn't exist until modern times. 😒
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@Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 2026-01-27 05:21
Do they even know what continent happens to be located on the Southern side of the Mediterranean?
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@boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2026-01-27 13:16
There's no sight of Michael Caine in the credits. This breaks immersion for me: I can't believe it's a real Nolan movie without Michael Caine. Every Nolan movie needs to have him or Cillian Murphy at the very least, ideally both.
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@HurricaneLiz@lemmy.world 2026-01-27 13:44
That's funny, bc too many racist ppl ruin my immersion in life
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@QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2026-01-28 03:30
Black people were invented by Woke Hollywood in the year 2019 AD in order to ruin movies.
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@Snowclone@lemmy.world 2026-01-28 03:45
How insane to you need to be to think the ancient Greeks didn't know about Africa? literally all of art history comes down the the Egyptians and Greeks teaching, learning, and reteaching each other art skills over the course of centuries.
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@meldrik@lemmy.wtf 2026-01-27 21:56
I haven’t watched the movie, but I would imagine Africans is pretty common around Greece?
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@tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2026-01-27 18:34
Uh yeah, a white giant cyclops, duh
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@Avicenna@programming.dev 2026-01-27 19:05
It is widely known that black people did not exist back in ancient greece, duh
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@andxz@lemmy.world 2026-01-27 22:20
Someone certainly didn't do all that well at their history lessons. If Memnon led an ARMY from Aethiopia to the siege of Troy there *might've* just been ..say, a few people of different fucking complexions mucking about in the immediate aftermath of said siege. Not to mention all the trade going on for centuries in those parts. ..and also, yeah, a Cyclops is just fine because it happens to be the right color, right? But this is otherwise a complete dealbreaker, is it? What the fuck? (I mean, I know it's just a racist piece of shit spewing idiocy, but still, what the everliving fuck?)
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@tlekiteki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-01-27 04:53
um, the Lotus Eaters
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@tetris11@feddit.uk 2026-01-27 21:50
My immersion of Ghost of Tsushima was ruined when I saw female lords being treated as equals to male lords. I thought, "were they really equals back in Feudal Japan? This ruins my immersion." Then our brave, rugged, honorable lead Samurai who we respect, jumps on to his knees and prostrates himself at every opportunity in front of his uncle/lord, saying unironically how unworthy he is to exist in the presence of such a divine being... ...and I was like, "oh yeah. In those moments where he is actually true to his period, I lose all respect for him." Fair play game, fair play.
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@Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 2026-01-27 05:05
[I'm a huge fan of the musical based on The Odyssey. ](https://youtu.be/jJ9vtKtilG8). There are so many animatics and animations made by fans. Notable examples (personal favorites) are [Wouldn't You Like animated by Slander](https://youtu.be/NGD9GJd4e3g), [A short part of an earlier song mixed with a near end song by Slander as well](https://youtu.be/qNIVP_V34YA), [and my personal two favorite animations done by Mr. Gameron](https://youtu.be/-kANw-KNY7s) (the songs were combined by another, apparently with the blessings of the original creator, as referenced in the comments). The entire thing is a great watch/listen, however.
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@k0e3@lemmy.ca 2026-01-27 21:07
What language were the actors speaking in?
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@thorhop@sopuli.xyz 2026-01-27 20:24
He means the immersion of his nazi fantasy land. The one where he is superior and only good white people exist. No jews, no other ethnic group other than Germanic, Nordic, Slavic or - dare I say - Saxon, Anglo even. Anything that breaks this delusion sends him off into a spiral of rage. Then he posts about it online.
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@acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2026-01-27 15:00
This smells like another "I'm a gay black man" moment.
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@alcibiades@sh.itjust.works 2026-01-27 14:14
my immersion was ruined when Nolan couldn't even cast someone slightly interesting for Odysseus and turned a fun and exciting tale into an overly serious greyscale film that will probably be a 4ish hour snooze fest
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@vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-01-29 09:32
Was this movie any good?
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@mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2026-01-28 03:09
Would the cyclops explain Laertes being played by an actor who is Maori? This bigot is stupid because Africa is *right fucking there.* But audiences at large might ask 'what the fuck?' if anyone in ancient proto-Greece was plainly Native American. And that mass response almost cannot be wrong. Anything that takes everyone out of the story is a failure of storytelling. Working around that is not difficult: do it early. That's how you make people go 'holy shit, a cyclops!' instead of 'why the fuck does this movie have a cyclops?' Suspension of disbelief is not something the audience owes. It's a trust that the story will follow its own rules. Every story has rules, and the ones it does not provide are filled in with ones you already know. That includes rules from other stories: nobody in Harry Potter bothers explaining that brooms can fly. But that made-up element is not carte blanche for someone to wield a lightsaber. The rules you know for fantasy would excuse a surprise dragon, but not a surprise spaceship. Nor could an eleven-year-old boy from jolly old England whip out a handgun, without breaking immersion, even though handguns are real. A story where that kind of character can have that kind of object takes an entirely different shape. It is important to avoid bad arguments even when dunking on the dumbest motherfuckers alive. We don't need to undermine the concept of criticizing fiction, just to tell a crybully racist to fuck off.
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@vivalapivo@lemmy.today 2026-01-27 04:49
Tbh it's so childish to immerse into worlds
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@ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2026-01-27 12:41
They did but people kept sneaking in on giant wooden horses
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@GreenShimada@lemmy.world 2026-01-27 13:39
They did, actually. To keep the Ottomans out. Didn't work (spoiler).