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Post #1622042

2026-03-27 16:54 UTC

@indutny @bengl dang, nodejs folks trying to do the right thing here. I "love" that the first thing LLM boosters go to is how it's "unenforceable", as if that was ever a concern when it came to whether people submitting PRs actually owned the rights to the code they submitted. I don't recall some massive discussion about "true authorship" besides "pinky swear". It just reeks of LLM boosters wanting really bad to just be deceitful motherfuckers.

Replies (4)

  • @indutny@mean.engineer 2026-03-27 17:00

    @zkat @bengl I disagree with the “unenforceable” argument too, but I deeply respect contributors posting this comment. They are part of the driving force behind Node.js and I don't think they have ill intentions even though we are not in agreement on LLM use.

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  • @zkat @indutny @bengl my musing on the pathology of privilege is that the "why" never makes sense because they don't care, the real reason is always "because I want to and I don't care about anyone else", but they know that's not going to work so instead it's endless half-baked excuses. LLMs in this context are a novel way to generate excuses, they don't meaningfully change the situation but they pretend it does.

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  • @bengl@mas.to 2026-03-27 19:33

    @zkat @indutny Your posts on BlueSky last year were a big part in informing my current opinion/stance on LLMs. So, thank you!

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  • @purple@tech.lgbt 2026-03-27 23:55

    @zkat @indutny @bengl also, and to be clear I'm not involved in npm spaces and haven't read that thread, this is a general comment, a lot of people making that argument seem to also be of the opinion that there's no point even thinking about avoiding things like GitHub and their policies re training because ‘they'll train on it anyway’. Literally arguing that consent isn't worth discussing, much less worrying about, because these same companies that they are apparently in favour of, will violate it anyway. Your fair game simply for existing on the internet, apparently. ‘implicit consent’ one said. They then seem to have absolutely zero comprehension of why some of us are utterly horrified by such ‘arguments’. Not sure it's a coincidence that so far it's always a man proposing that one. (and yes, I personally know men who are also horrified by it and do value consent, settle down everyone)

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