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it's both. you have groups that socially confirm themselves out of any attempt to actively re-align with reality rather than their own confabulations. dangerous, powerful, and cancerous cults completely detached from any rationality. then you have weird framing problems that has us finding progressives fighting each other, because they've created oversimplified heuristic ideas of the larger or more complex reality than has been represented by their narrow, and likely emotionally salient local environment. this can be exploited to make people fight each-other when they don't actually have a reason to, purely because they cannot broaden their understanding of both their local and the other person's environment simultaneously. especially when there is social pressure to prove you are not behaving like "the enemy," otherwise you get ostracized. this is also often due to local groups 'creating' their own reality via the sensible bias gained from their lived experience, so it's only unreasonable once you understand the broader perspective. like if someone moved into the city and jumped every time they see a garden hose in the corner of their vision, because they've grown into an environment where survival depends on making long tubes in the grass especially salient. the city dwellers laugh and make fun of them for being a weird loser, and ostracize them causing the person suffering due to not fitting the environment. if the city dwellers moved to the dangerous snake area, maybe they would die from failure to react to a snake. imagine the family of the snake-area person getting upset at the city people for the legitimate grievance caused to their social member, and the city people felt likewise. now you have a war for no reason other than people are stupid. now if people with a lot of money and power in both areas felt they could better control their people by intentionally stoking this fire, then you have even more stupid warring.