Post #1465271
2026-04-16 06:35 UTC
Replies (7)
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@billstatler@forum.statler.ws 2026-04-17 18:38
An alternative proposal that makes more sense: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-meow-mrrp-00.html
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@hosh8764@hub.volse.no 2026-04-17 20:21
@Waitman Gobble What a ridiculous state of affairs , with the whole world depending on it. Sometimes it seems like any old git with a bit of common sense could produce something better than a committee stuffed with experts.
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@billstatler@forum.statler.ws 2026-04-17 21:54
I'm trying to figure out who Jamie Thain is, and whether he's qualified to invent IPv8. Having a bit of fun doxxing him. Is he a Famous Computer Guy of Olden Days? It does look like he has put a lot of work into this, but I'm definitely not qualified to judge his proposal. draft-thain-ipv8: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |Version| IHL |Type of Service| Total Length | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Identification |Flags| Fragment Offset | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Time to Live | Protocol | Header Checksum | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Source ASN Prefix (r.r.r.r) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Source Host Address (n.n.n.n) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Destination ASN Prefix (r.r.r.r) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Destination Host Address (n.n.n.n) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ draft-meow-mrrp: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Meow Mrrp | Moew Mrrp | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Meeeeow Nyaaaa~ | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Mrrrreeaowwww Mrrp :3 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Meow | |M|E|O|W|M|R|R|P| | | Mrrrrp| Purrr |N|Y|A|A|A|A|A|A| Mraoww | | | |M|I|A|O|W|I|N|G| | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Mrrrowww | Urgent Meowing | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | [Meeeowo] | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | : : Meow : : | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ 😹
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@hello@rumbly.net 2026-04-18 10:14
I dont know who he is. But in the DKIM example there have been standards that went through review and are official yet none of the big guys implemented it. Even if his idea is brilliant and works and is vetted it's possible that companiea such as Cisco won't budge on implementing it but then years will pass and you'll see a similar proposal with big corp names on it. Getting implemented. That happens i think I dont see how it would work but i think he is right about things like the shittyness of ipv6 and how you have to run ipv4 and ipv6 both and it's true our network services are a hodgepodge of stuff The concept of ipv8 seems better but.. how people would agree to rewrite all the services seems unlikely. ... but 30 years from now it could be true. Actually with AI one day it won't matter because AI will adapt the network autonomously. Opensource software projects will evaporate. There won't be a need to have a group of people working to write an HTTP server, for example. People will just say "i want this thing whatever" and AI will pull it all out if its ass in miliseconds. And then we're on a curve straight up where humanity changes and evolves
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@hello@rumbly.net 2026-04-18 10:21
I don't see people really bitching about bitcoin so much anymore they all moved onto bitching about AI lol. I dont think its a bubble and i dont think its going away It's like people bitching about cars when a horse is plenty good enough to get into town
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@hello@rumbly.net 2026-04-19 07:55
Here's an article from 10 years ago by someone who seems to have been around since the beginning, or at least understands the problem. Also mentions QUIC. Anyone using QUIC? I have one site set up for QUIC. Browsers support it but prefer TCP. So you have to force it. QUIC runs on UDP port 443 and the big guys act like its the next big thing but actually from the 1990's i guess The world in which IPv6 was a good design Last November I went to an IETF meeting for the first time. The IETF is an interesting place; it seems to be about 1/3 maintenance grunt wo...
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@hello@rumbly.net 2026-04-19 08:29
But wait... a second article. This is fun reading if you like historical stuff going back to before the internet. Postel’s Law is the principle the Internet is based on. Not because Jon Postel was such a great salesperson and talked everyone into it, but because that is the only winning evolutionary strategy when internets are competing. Nature doesn’t care what you think about Postel’s Law, because the only Internet that happens will be the one that follows Postel’s Law. Every other internet will, without exception, eventually be joined to The Internet by some goofball who does it wrong, but just well enough that it adds value, so that eventually nobody will be willing to break the connection. And then to maintain that connection will require further application of Postel’s Law. IPv4 vs IPv6: A Shift in Attitude and the Future of Networking Explore the evolving perspectives on IPv4 and IPv6. Discover how a shift in design philosophy and the challenges of dual-internet networks shape the future of internet connectivity, with insights on Postel’s Law and the concept of IP mobility.