Post #1461175

2025-11-25 21:53 UTC

@GrapheneOS @watchfulcitizen > discuss.grapheneos.org/d/27068-grapheneos-security-preview-releases has more info and third party sources on Fairphone, iodéOS and /e/. The only instances of the letters "fair" are three copies of "fairly" on page 2 (yes, I have JS disabled :P), I can't find any mentions of iodé or /e/ either. Did you link to the wrong thread? > iodéOS and /e/ are extraordinarily insecure and non-private. *shrug* Not much worse than a stock ROM tbh. Not super diligent with security updates? I know plenty of people who procrastinate installing updates anyway, and we're all going alright with our lives. Maybe I'm gonna get hacked, but living in paranoia is not worth it, so I've chosen a balance of slightly increased privacy + not Play Services + runs on a phone I have (I avoid e-waste and things made in China when I can). And yeah, I *do* have things to hide :P > iodéOS is openly partnered with scammers including Robert Braxman. Are they? I could only find info listing that the latter uses the former, but no official endorsement of the former towards the latter. (Again, DDG search on "iodéOS robert braxman".)

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@issotm@social.treehouse.systems 2025-11-25 22:01

@GrapheneOS @watchfulcitizen Idk, I'm not looking for anything. Maybe you're right and our government is pulling strings, but it seems to me more like they're not. Can't fault you for wanting to pull out of here, Chat Control is... [string of expletives]. I read that you're moving infra to the USA, though, which... er, aren't they worse? The NSA has a track record of spying on USA people, requiring backdoors, and are currently [being sus with TLS encryption](https://blog.cr.yp.to/20251004-weakened.html)... so I'm confused? Also, mea culpa, I just learned about [the Europe 1](https://www.europe1.fr/Police-Justice/info-europe-1-graphene-os-la-nouvelle-arme-des-narcotrafiquants-pour-effacer-les-donnees-de-leurs-telephones-871834) article. (Though I'd point out it's *still* another private right-wing media. I should check if they're all owned by [Bolloré](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Bollor%C3%A9) or one of those mfs... *Those* guys I could totally see pulling strings.)

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@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social 2025-11-25 22:19

@issotm @watchfulcitizen The link is supposed to be https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private. We're responding to multiple people and had the wrong thing in the clipboard. > Not much worse than a stock ROM tbh. They're dramatically less secure than a stock OS Pixel or an iPhone. > Not super diligent with security updates? They regularly lag years behind on important privacy/security patches and improvements. This story is about law enforcement enraged by reasonably secure devices they can't easily exploit.

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