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Post #1246359

2026-04-10 13:09 UTC

@hazelnot Reasonably, for example if we lived in a matriarchy, the countries where those elements are extracted would be well-paid for them, and there would be worker safety measures in place. Maybe if we manage to save ourselves from climate collapse we can get on with the job of getting rid of the patriarchal "me first" way of doing things.

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  • @hazelnot@sunbeam.city 2026-04-10 13:11

    @HI_Greens if we lived in a matriarchy we'd still have inequality and social hierarchies. Getting rid of the patriarchy is a good start, but it doesn't need to be replaced with anything else. The most important thing to get rid of though is capitalism.

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  • @HI_Greens The countries where [rare-earth] elements are extracted [for renewables] would be well-paid (?!) for them. Later down the thread you say capitalism is patriarchy. If that is combined with this desire for matriarchy, then it follows that the abolition of capitalism is desired. Since capitalism depends on the exchange of labour power as a commodity, this demand must retain capitalism, albeit in a friendlier form. This friendlier form wears the phrase "well-paid". This is a gauge on the rate of exploitation. Therefore, exploitation must still exist unless the workers had the dominant voice in the distribution of surplus product. At that point, labour power will be decommodified and "well-paid" will cease to mean anything. However, the green party will be elected to a position in a government, where they will hire capitalist companies to perform labour on these turbines. The manufacturing of wind turbines will made with the cheapest possible labour, and local capitalist governments are bound to the world market. Capital as a whole aims to reduce the value of labour power as much as possible, and its means include force. Not only that, but capital aims to scale up, meaning short-term extraction must increase over time insofar as capital remains a social force.

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