it's a matter of motivation
2026-04-08 10:08 UTC
Replies (40)
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@paulcdb@lemmy.world 2026-04-08 10:13
This is how you tell rich people have some serious mental health issue. Decent people would rather a world where people worked because they enjoy that type of work rather than being forced to do it because they need money to live. If you removed money, imagine where we’d all be as a society without the toxicity of money, wars and hate! :(
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@homes@piefed.world 2026-04-08 11:51
All of these people have motives… Their motives simply aren’t money
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@n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 2026-04-09 00:25
I apologize for my ignorance but what is productive about Minecraft players?
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@Kolanaki@pawb.social 2026-04-08 20:00
Volunteer firefighters do actually still get paid a lot of the time. Source: Was volunteer firefighter. Was paid per-call.
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@jeniferariza@lemmy.world 2026-04-08 20:42
Turns out passion, curiosity, and purpose are way stronger motivators than profit ever was 😅
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@Red_October@lemmy.world 2026-04-09 06:03
Okay, now who’s going to haul garbage and unclog sewers just for the love of the game?
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@Jay101@lemmy.world 2026-04-09 06:13
Even more powerful examples, despite threat of persecution at the hands of Oligarchs and the state instruments these persist: Sci-hub, Library genesis
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@Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 2026-04-08 18:09
Capitalism and so called meritocracy have brainwashed humanity.
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@Wander@sh.itjust.works 2026-04-09 08:36
This is not everyone. These people are great but rare. If there was a world full of people like this, life would be different but it isn’t. Most people suck. Now in a time when there was homogeneous society and there was about 150 people you interacted people could be kept a lot more in check. But today no way. Just today for example I called some guy scum and threw a plastic bag in his face because he took his dog to the beach and wouldn’t pick up his shit. I highly doubt that guy would do 40 hours of work for someone else if he didn’t have to. I had actually talked to him before that and he seemed positively pleasant.
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@Jankatarch@lemmy.world 2026-04-08 16:25
I would gladly fix and assemble home appliances as hobby if I didn't have to worry about money.
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@aesthelete@lemmy.world 2026-04-08 16:14
They lock essential things (e.g. food, water, shelter, medical services, etc.) behind a paywall because they know it is not true that people do not always---or even usually---want money. But people do need essentials to live, and if they're the only ones who can give you money to get those, then they can order you to do what *they* want instead.
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@bearboiblake@pawb.social 2026-04-08 10:19
Imagine an Internet where services are provided to make our lives better, not just to turn a profit. Imagine a world where automation didn't take away our livelihood, but helped us to spend more time doing what we wanted to do. Imagine a world where food, water, shelter, education and healthcare was available to everyone, not paywalled. This world is possible. We can get there. If heaven exists, we must create it here on earth. Organize, protest and elect. Emphasis on organize and protest. 1. Get as involved as you can with activist efforts locally. 2. Organize, network, focus on building solidarity. Join or form a union. Join the IWW. 3. Vote at primaries and elections for the best candidate, even if you doubt they can win. 4. Don't punch down. 5. Don't punch left. 6. Educate yourself, politically. 7. Push for voting reform and for anything that breaks the two-party system --- ::: spoiler How does capitalism inevitably lead to fascism? >Basically, the issue with capitalism is that the more wealth you have, the easier it is for you to make more money. And since money can be used to buy goods, services and influence, there is always a way to use money to gain more political and social power. With that political and social power, you can push society and the legal system in the direction you want to go. So you can use your wealth to gain power, and then you can use your power to change laws and society so that you can make even more wealth and power. It’s a positive feedback loop. > >Obviously, though, if the billionaires and ruling class are accumulating more and more of our society’s wealth, that inevitably means that there’s less for everyone else to go around - therefore, working class people feel poorer and poorer. Meanwhile, the economy is going absolutely great for rich people, so inflation continues to go up - everything gets more expensive, but wages don’t increase. The wealthy just keep more and more of the wealth for themselves. To accumulate more and more wealth, they change the laws so that they can avoid paying taxes, so public services collapse. Politicians are lobbied to ensure that public funds are diverted away from where it is most needed - housing, healthcare, transportation, infrastructure - and instead into industries where their class interests most benefit from it, such as weapons manufacturing and extractive industries such as fossil fuels and mining. > >The working class are bound to notice that their lives are getting shittier and shittier, and if that situation is left unchecked, the working class would realize that the ruling class are fucking them over, rise up, and overthrow their rulers. Obviously, the ruling class need to do something about this, but there’s no solution that the ruling class can offer. They’re causing all of the problems, to fix them they’d have to give up some of their wealth and power - and that’s not something they’re going to do. So they need to find someone else to blame the problems we have in society on. Unfortunately, though, no matter who they blame the problems on, and no matter what they do to “fix” it, the issue will continue to persist, because the material conditions underlying the issues are, very intentionally, never addressed. > >So, the conundrum returns: The ruling class said that minority A caused all of the problems, minority A is persecuted and oppressed, but society doesn’t actually get any better. Either the problem wasn’t minority A, or minority A just hasn’t been oppressed enough yet. So the ruling class can either escalate the oppression, or they can shift the focus to another minority group. The division continues to escalate in terms of how vitriolic and extreme it is, and it also continues to divide the working class into smaller and smaller groups. > >To get the working class to buy into this hateful message, they need to take advantage of our worst instincts, and one of those instincts is the in-group bias. The majority are manipulated into being suspicious, then intolerant, then hateful, then violent, then genocidal, towards whatever the targeted minority of the day is. Anything that can be used to divide the working class - sexuality, nationality, immigration status, ethnicity, religion, sex, gender identity, age, all of these will be used as wedges to keep the working class split apart and not working together, because they know that if the working class actually unite against them, they are completely and truly fucked. > >That’s exactly how fascism manifests. It’s because it’s possible for people to accumulate power through wealth. This is why capitalism must be abolished. If we do not abolish capitalism, fascism will always return. It’s just a matter of time. :::
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@G3NI5Y5@europe.pub 2026-04-08 16:22
The fantasy-story of profit motive: Without capitalism, people are just lazy, unproductive and die eventually. But with capitalism, there is great innovation, motivation and excitement.\ \ Cool story, but absolute nonsense.\ It's a few bad players that are extremely greedy who ruin the whole game for everyone else. Most people don't want to be that rich, they just want to live without starving to death, being healthy and have a roof over their head.
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@zbyte64@awful.systems 2026-04-09 00:30
It's one of those "every accusation is a confession". People are thinking about themselves when talking about others.
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@BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2026-04-08 15:37
I'm convinced people who believe that are some of the biggest shit stains on the planet.
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@buddascrayon@lemmy.world 2026-04-09 13:17
Maybe the problem in our society is the people who are only motivated by profit.
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@menas@lemmy.wtf 2026-04-09 09:59
"Without the fear of poverty, no one would be submissive "
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@moakley@lemmy.world 2026-04-08 14:07
My Minecraft survival world is awesome, but I think in this context "productive" is usually referring to, you know, *farming* and stuff.
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@JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2026-04-08 11:43
Volunteer firefighters are paid pretty damn well while 20 of them stand around a car wreck at 2am.
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@melfie@lemmy.zip 2026-04-08 16:52
The studies about intrinsic vs. extrinsic motivation suggest otherwise, and that monetary rewards can even have a negative impact on productivity and creativity. Ultimately, we want a society of intrinsically motivated people doing their best, most inspired work, not a society following financial incentives.
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@CosmoNova@lemmy.world 2026-04-08 10:22
Shitposters:
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@Ontimp@feddit.org 2026-04-08 16:12
I think people misunderstand the use of money. Money is just a point system we use to decentralize coordination and resource distribution questions. Only idiots would claim that it's the only motivator for humans. But the more complicated and contentious resource distribution questions become, the more important money becomes as a system. In basically all the examples given here, the resource inputs in question are individuals personal time and expertise. They of course face opportunity cost considerations, but can ultimately decide to sacrifice their own time individually. Money and the desire to get more of it (in absence or other specific needs) is pretty much necessary to keep any society with more than 50 people or so running.
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@ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2026-04-09 16:16
Most creative people don't profit from their creations. Some do. Most don't.
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@BilSabab@lemmy.world 2026-04-09 11:50
this picture doesn't address the fact that a lot of people work to enable subsistence and in this economy it is becoming very common.
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@Mac@mander.xyz 2026-04-08 11:16
Damn, they never heard of hobbies, huh?
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@33550336@lemmy.world 2026-04-09 13:05
in some sense these are cool duties, let me know when someone voluntarily emptied septic tanks of other people
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@peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 2026-04-08 16:39
Fucking hate that myth
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@Pacattack57@lemmy.world 2026-04-08 19:44
Reddit mods?
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@wpb@lemmy.world 2026-04-08 21:17
One of these is not like the others
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@hubobes@piefed.europe.pub 2026-04-09 19:41
Just FYI at least here I get compensated for my work as a voluntary firefighter. Not sure how much anymore but it is around 25 bucks per hour. Made like 1k last year, had not really a lot to do except training and 2-3 smaller incidents. But yeah I don't do it for the money, I learned about that in basic training 😁
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@Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2026-04-08 21:48
These are all things that people enjoy doing though, and there is a certain amount of glory in doing them. Do you think your plumber or electrician would be willing to work for free?
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@mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2026-04-08 20:36
can someone remind me where volunteer firefighters are actually volunteers and not just part-time or on-call employees
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@jj4211@lemmy.world 2026-04-09 11:51
Now let's discuss all the people eager to volunteer to work sewage treatment plants. The proportion of people with more innate motivation versus need for a job to be done varies wildly between jobs. But when someone approaches work with innate motivation, amazingly better stuff happens compared to people in it just for the paycheck.
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@Martyy@lemmy.world 2026-04-09 11:31
Except these people are very rare and I doubt an averege Joe would do 40 hours work for community just because its gonna benifit somebody else
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@Martyy@lemmy.world 2026-04-09 11:39
Also wtf do minecraft players have to do with working for free?
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@Magnum@infosec.pub 2026-04-08 21:48
Well all of those spaces actually pay a wage too.
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@stupidcasey@lemmy.world 2026-04-08 20:29
Nobody would be motivated to do the Grunt work and the demeaning work and the harmful work and the monotonous work and the thankless work, and why should they if they get the same reward for doing the opposite?
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@FishFace@piefed.social 2026-04-08 11:52
Do you think your uncle was in any way representative of the millions of people employed in waste disposal? The city of Birmingham's bins have gone partially uncollected for over a year due to a dispute over pay. If waste disposal workers were, in general, doing it for the love of it, they'd surely be happy to do it for minimum wage. Seems more likely your uncle was the odd one out, and most people need to be paid to do stinky work.
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@FishFace@piefed.social 2026-04-08 13:32
If you agree most people need to be paid to do work, then we have no disagreement on the topic at hand, so there is no need to argue at all.
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@FishFace@piefed.social 2026-04-09 08:22
I don't believe I did. I was always talking about whether it was necessary to offer incentives to do jobs like waste collection or if they'd be done anyway in an ideal society.