Post #101905
2025-12-30 20:32 UTC
Replies (7)
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@FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 2025-12-30 23:16
>Let's be realistic and not console ourselves with rosy fantasies. Let's take the most pessimistic view instead and project we'll all get plugged into the Matrix. It's not a foregone conclusion that so-called AI and automation will replace all of those jobs. It's also not a foregone conclusion that all these people will be destitute because they cannot be put in other positions. This is not the first time we as humanity have faced this big a structural change. We have largely gotten pretty good and are not dealing with a lot of bloodshed and poverty in the wake of such a big change. This transition will probably not be great for everybody but it won't be a big human tragedy of the proportions you imagined. Worry more about our climate. The bigger threat of mass destitution will come from that clusterfuck.
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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2025-12-30 20:36
The US Empire is dying, socialist countries like the PRC are rising, and partially thanks to the latter a lot of countries in the global south are escaping imperialism and are finally developing forward. Automation and AI are used in socialist countries already for the purposes of increasing production, not to destroy livelihoods. As the empire dies there will be chaos and death from its desparation (see Venezuela), but the long, queer, messy transition between global capitalism and socialism is well under way. We will win.
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@djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2025-12-30 22:59
Thing is, as the Western empire collapses, I think more and more people will start to move towards China just for the sake of stability and a basic standard of living. It's already something I've been thinking about, and things are only going to get worse. All that to say, I wouldn't write off the idea of them attracting people. Immigration is a possible solution, it kinda depends on if the PRC wants it to be their solution.
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@davel@lemmy.ml 2025-12-31 01:51
>China has a horrifyingly destructive demographics crisis on their hands. “Horrifyingly destructive” sounds a bit hyperbolic. Birthrates in South Korea, Japan, and some European countries are lower. >Immigration is one of the main ways to deal with it, something that China is much worse off with as their poor wages and sheer size means they uniquely cannot attract enough people, unlike South Korea and Japan. Wages are not low in China when compared to the cost of living. However high wages may be in South Korea and Japan, people still can’t make ends meet because prices are high. And I don’t see how a country’s size would factor in at all. But in any case, I don’t think China is even trying to attract immigrants, making this moot.
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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2025-12-30 21:48
China has a problem, sure, but it's not a "horrifyingly destructive demographics crisis." This is largely a cope narrative pushed by "China watchers." Further, [purchasing Power in 2022 was 25 times higher than 1978.](https://olac.com.ar/en/areas-en/chinese-modernization-en/the-evolution-of-wages-in-china-from-the-late-1970s-to-the-present-analysis-from-a-historical-and-international-perspective/) China has decent wages now, and they are only improving. The latest five year plan is also focusing on improving domestic consumption, ie improvements in living standards, and as such has better prospects than either the ROK or Japan when it comes to demographic issues, as both are struggling economically.
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@JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social 2025-12-30 22:14
Devil's advocate-- the Industrial Revolution has led to heaps of the 'prosperity' we moderns have enjoyed, while effectively destroying our future via various forms of pollution, directly because too few heeded caution and considered the importance of sustainability. It became all about money at almost every level, and unchecked capitalism is ultimately a tyrant, as we're now discovering via late-stage capitalism. While the rich get richer and fascism rises around the world, of course.
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@ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2025-12-31 01:02
That just means that whatever groups of interest are behind this "AI" (it won't be AI, just called that way) won't even have to bribe and contend with the (tiny, but possibly still present) humanity of our elected, and decision-making and power as a whole will be even more obfuscated!