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@VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social · Sep 17

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@t3rcermillenium@mastodon.social 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 and the entire inside is covered in ketchup!

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Arthur van der Harg

@ArtHarg@mastodon.nl · Sep 17

@VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social If you’re locked in the car, then presumably it’s yours and you can break a window to get out. Staying locked inside is a choice.

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@benroyce@mastodon.social · Sep 17

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@ArtHarg@mastodon.nl @VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social ✅ americans: #vote or stop complaining. your nonvote is what made this

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@VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social · Sep 17

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@benroyce@mastodon.social 👍 💯

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@dacig@mastodon.social · Sep 18

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@VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social @benroyce@mastodon.social Voting is such a small part of Democracy. PArtyicipate in collective action, meet your neighbors, unionize, help an immigrant ... what akes a country livable, and a good neighbouring country ( Mexico hears the alarm also) is more community across society.

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@benroyce@mastodon.social · Sep 18

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@dacig@mastodon.social @VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social you are correct but your inclination to downplay voting makes your words suspect both are important nobody serious downplays community nobody serious downplays voting why jump in and imply they are antagonistic goals? they aren't. we do both

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@dacig@mastodon.social · Sep 18

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@benroyce@mastodon.social @VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social I do both. I come from Mexico where voting has been effective lately, because of larger social movements preceding and accompanying candidates. I live in Europe now where I feel the vote is not effective, ie France. I got to vote as a immigrant in local elections here in Sweden, which is cool, but the emphasis on electoral and representative politics as the only true form of democracy feels odd. Direct democracy, assemblies, reaching consensus instead of majority rule...

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@benroyce@mastodon.social · Sep 18

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@dacig@mastodon.social @VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social this seems like escapism in a given country, the form of democracy is what it is. and it certainly will have defects that require addressing to make it better. which requires participation in that form of democracy to address them in such a respect what does "direct democracy" even mean? you can say that direct democracy is a better system. ok. but it's not the actual system you are currently in. so what's the point? are you substituting daydreaming for living in reality?

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@dacig@mastodon.social · Sep 18

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@benroyce@mastodon.social @VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social If politics dont make you dream, there probably not worth your time and energy I would say. In Mexico we have a woman President, parity in congress, much less poor people...because we dared to dream. Direct democracy is in the works, we can revoke politicians mid term, all judges are now elected. In France Mélenchon promises to end the 5th République if elected, flatten hierarchies. I am in fact for sorting: a lottery would put regular people in power, renewed often.

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@benroyce@mastodon.social · Sep 18

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@dacig@mastodon.social @VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social of course you can dream. you should dream. but you can't just dream. you need a coherent plant of action. which includes working in the current system, to birth the better system. that's not a suggestion, that's a rock solid aspect of existence. so why are downplaying that, even as you point to people working within the system to get better, in your own examples such as Sheinbaum also, Melenchon is a fucking idiot. he calls for "diplomacy" instead of arming Ukraine

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@VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social · Sep 18

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@benroyce@mastodon.social I second that motion... 🙄 Melancon is 100% an imbecile. @dacig@mastodon.social

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@dacig@mastodon.social · Sep 19

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@VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social @benroyce@mastodon.social Yes that's what the right, the center and all the oligarch media says, so it must be true. Much like AMLO was a Danger to Mexico! Much like Bernie wouldnt do as a President in a sane country. Lulla belonged in Prison, Corbyn a dangerous antisemite. And the Squad Mamdani, al Sayed will submit USians to Sharia law. I've heard plenty about Mélenchon. I've also read his program, seen his unwavering commitement to the working class, minorities and Palestine, enough for me.

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@VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social · Sep 19

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@dacig@mastodon.social @benroyce@mastodon.social Stop confusing your lefts and your rights they are not the same. I hate the extreme rightists just as much as you do, but I'll tell ya, Bernie, in France would NOT be in Melanchon's camp. The US has no real left any longer. Melanchon is an affluent, socially liberal wing of the French left. Even though he's technically not Gauche Caviar, the hypocrisy is too much for me. His 'commitment' as you say is to himself. The 'real left' never had much results anywhere any ways.

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@dacig@mastodon.social · Sep 19

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@VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social @benroyce@mastodon.social Mélenchon may be a bit of a aristocrat, a white cis? Man, but I dont feel him to be dishonest, I might be wrong. I can say that I lived through MORENA-AMLOs ascent in México, and getting similar vibes from LFI-Melenchon. Same establishment horror to sovereign, lefty politics, similar autocrat accusations, long speeches, same grass roots bases. Political flair. They in fact know each other and exchange. Call me crazy but he might win, bring about the VIe République

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@benroyce@mastodon.social · Sep 19

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@dacig@mastodon.social @VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social melenchon might have russian troops in paris if he keeps talking about "diplomacy" instead of giving ukraine all the arms they need, and then some more it's not a failure of ideology to be such an airhead about what russia represents, it's a failure of basic human intelligence. or perhap to be an entitled, privileged insulated fool blissfully unaware. or perhaps a product of russia's penchance for funding the far right and the far left to destroy countries

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@VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social · Sep 19

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@benroyce@mastodon.social 👍 💯 @dacig@mastodon.social

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@VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social · Sep 17

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@ArtHarg@mastodon.nl 🤣🤣🤣👍 💯

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Paul Lalonde

@Flux@wandering.shop · Sep 17

@VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social Dude, let me introduce you to the door handle. You can do it!

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