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2025-12-13 18:50 UTC

@vavakado@mas.to @KFears@mstdn.games this is referring to a situation a couple years ago where a chain of actions from several well intentioned people caused a keynote for RustConf to be canceled which was kicked off by dtolnay which people quickly assumed was driven by racism before the facts were known which was compounded by at least one well known Rust community member (but outside the project) making a racist comment that the speaker was only chosen for diversity (they were not). The weight of blame put on dtolnay was made worse by them taking limited responsibility for their part including delaying an apology until they were outed and then doing a poor one. It also has not killed off comptime reflection, just that approach from that contributor. There is on going work in that area by a compiler team member that I am much more hopeful about the design of. This isn't that I'm a dtolnay apologist. Its just that to work to solve problems you need to make sure you know what the problems are.

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  • @KFears@mstdn.games 2025-12-13 19:11

    @epage@hachyderm.io @vavakado@mas.to Work by ThePhdDev was never "definitive design"; it was a very early preview by an extremely enthusiastic and competent person who volunteered to drive the work. I am cautiously optimistic that had this situation not happened, we'd already have good and working comptime reflection today. And I profoundly disagree that the people were "well-intentioned", for most of them have kept their power and haven't contributed to the solution, only apologized instead of doing something with the elephant in the room.

    Open ##2475627

  • @michalfita@mastodon.social 2025-12-13 19:55

    @epage@hachyderm.io @vavakado@mas.to @KFears@mstdn.games Wouldn't be fair to call person the discussion is about to the whiteboard? @dtolnay@rewrite.in.rs seem to be on the fediverse.

    Open ##2475630

  • @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run 2025-12-16 00:19

    @epage@hachyderm.io @vavakado@mas.to @KFears@mstdn.games i haven't ever heard an apology and you haven't linked to one, or indeed to anything at all despite assuming the authoritative tone of knowing what the problems are we need to solve. i think tolnay can speak for himself rather than having the entire leadership continuing to cover for him and attempting to memory hole the incident.

    Open ##2475632