Post by @raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world

2026-10-03 01:11 UTC

my brother in Christ, Discord and Teams both need like 2x the RAM so don’t talk to me about that. I don’t compare a hot-dog to a pile of dog poo and say “it’s good food”. Idk left side has contacts and groups, right side chat. What exactly is not user-friendly there? slow to load up long sync times high battery drain for mobile users room concept, as opposed to contact chats electron app sucks donkeyballs - wastes lots of screen space where no chat is displayed options way too hard to find at times (like how to add existing rooms to a space) no online/offline status of contacts trust model with device verification is unintuitive for non-techie users (admitted this one has improved with the emojis years ago and with cross-device certification) I could probably find a bunch of more reasons if I thought longer about it. These are all issues that don’t keep me from using the app, but they are severe enough that I can’t convince non-techie friends to use element as a messenger. For matrix, there are superior messengers for sure, albeit those are then limited in functionality.

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@ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-10-03 12:45

I’m gonna pile a few on (I’ve mentioned them elsewhere in this thread, but…) Those aforementioned “rooms?” Element took the ability to search them away but you could still join if you knew the room addr (search may be back now), why? Because of the HUGE CP spam problem those rooms had (have?). I’m not pushing an app that could possibly show my mom that shit. Onboarding is atrocious, I had to set it up for everyone I tried it with myself, the normies cannot figure it out. "They should get good,” yeah I agree, but they aren’t gonna, so your move. It pisses metadata to any server you federate with. If you self host a contained ecosystem, maybe, but if you federate with matrix.org (as you almost have to do), the ex AMDOCs employees who started it as an AMDOCs project before breaking off to form The Matrix Foundation get more info than I’m comfortable with considering their history of spying on telecommunications. Ok I admit some of that isn’t UI issues… still bad.

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@carrylex@lemmy.world 2026-10-03 14:26

I don’t compare a hot-dog to a pile of dog poo and say “it’s good food”. Then what is your definition of lightweight? A command line chat app? slow to load up literally loads within 3s long sync times maybe if you didn’t open it for a year yes, otherwise it’s in the sub-second area high battery drain for mobile users Mine is <1% for the last day. If you don’t setup proper push messaging which then requires the app to constantly wake up - yeah than it might be a problem. room concept, as opposed to contact chats How exactly is this a problem? electron app sucks Teams is also using Electron Microslop Edition options way too hard to find at times (like how to add existing rooms to a space) Just go into the settings and you will find 99% Moving a room to a space has nothing to do with options and is a very uncommon task. no online/offline status of contacts ok guess you last used Element 5+ years ago? github.com/matrix-org/…/3026 spec.matrix.org/v1.3/client-server-api/#presence patrick.cloke.us/posts/2023/…/matrix-presence/ trust model with device verification is unintuitive for non-techie users Yeah e.g. Whatsapp and Signal have the exact same problems expect when you keep some (sometimes not encrypted) backup somewhere.

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