Post #90858
2025-12-24 07:52 UTC
Replies (11)
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@banause@feddit.org 2025-12-24 08:04
Goi *is* a Jewish word to describe Non-Jewish people. That's relatively normal. It is not like muggle in Harry Potter tho! It means "all the diverse culture and people on this earth". So far more "nice". If a Jew labels another Jew as such it usually means that person stretches religious rules, cultural norms a bit. Which usually is used in a more playful/slangish way. However, this comes from an inbound group. Analogous to, how the n-bomb can be dropped among certain peers. With that being said, I think he just wants show off a little how much he knows and uses the word to udermine his competence. Potentially using it a bit off and awkward. *From the information* you gave (!), he is not antisemititc. Not on purpose at least.
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@hellinkilla@hexbear.net 2025-12-24 09:59
You dont provide enough info. The Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goy has sections on the term got as a pejorative or anti Semitic dog whistle. So you can see other associated signals. Most truely anti semetic people are right wing so mentioning multiple times association with left wing as tho that incriminates him is incorrect. Do a websearch for the creator name but you need to be extremely careful with what you believe because basically every public figure who is anti Zionist is smeared with anti semitism. So whoever says he is, you need to look at who else they are claiming it about and see if you agree or they are just misusing the term to slander the plurality of people who are pro Palestine. Absolutely **no** reputable source _*ever*_ lists being pro Palestine as an indicator of anti semitism. (Even if they are saying it about someone else.) So of you see that, you can disregard everything else that source says.
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@Fondots@lemmy.world 2025-12-24 09:29
I think we're going to need a little more context on who he is and how he's using the word "goy" It comes from Hebrew/Yiddish, so it's a word used predominantly *by* Jewish people, and so not inherently antisemitic. It basically means non-jew, it's roughly synonymous with the term "gentile" that you might be more familiar with if you've had a Christian upbringing. How Jews use it of course varies a lot, plenty just use it without any particular deeper meaning, just a matter-of-fact statement that the person they're referring to isn't Jewish. Some of course do use it with a bit of Malice if they value non-jews less highly than their fellow Jews. I've also heard it used, usually somewhat jokingly, by Jews to refer to other Jews who aren't acting in a way that they think is in accordance with Jewish customs. I remember one time my one Jewish friend who keeps kosher (kind of, he definitely bends the rules more than a bit) was teasing another Jewish friend who had ordered a bacon cheeseburger or something while we were out grabbing lunch, calling him a goy and lumping him in with the rest of the non-jews sitting around the table. It was all in good fun, just a bunch of guys joking around over a couple beers. Again, I'm sure there's some Jews out there who would do something like that and mean it as an actual insult. If the person saying it isn't Jewish themselves, that's where you *might* have a case for their use being antisemitic. I'm not Jewish, I could definitely see myself using goy or a handful handful of other jewish words and phrases I've picked up when I'm joking around with my Jewish friends. I might even call one of them a goy jokingly like in that bacon cheeseburger situation. Mostly though I'd probably use it to refer to myself, like if they were talking about, let's say a Chanukah celebration, and I didn't understand what they were talking about, I might tell them to need to explain it again in "goy" for me. But if I'm not with friends that I have a good rapport with, I probably wouldn't joke like that, I don't want to give the wrong impression that I'm genuinely criticizing them for not being Jewish "enough," as a non Jew I really don't think it's my place to be making that kind of judgement. And I certainly wouldn't be using it seriously to criticize Jews. I wouldn't call Israeli Zionists goys (goyim I believe is actually the proper pluralization) based on their Zionist beliefs, there's plenty of totally secular terms I can come up with to criticize them. I could also see an antisemite using Jewish terms like goy in a mocking fashion, which, yeah that's pretty antisemitic, basically the same thing as a white supremacist making fun of a black person for using AAVE. And of course, depending on the person, the tone, how they're using it, their target audience, etc. it could be totally non-problematic.
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@mathemachristian@hexbear.net 2025-12-24 09:51
Link him. Saying "goy" is definitely sus and being harsh on "jewish people" is definitely antisemitic. If they believe the zionist occupation that they represent jews than I don't think you're gonna get quality analyses there.
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@daannii@lemmy.world 2025-12-25 03:54
Being against Israel, which is a nation, is not the same as disliking people of the Jewish faith. It's like saying that hating Nazi Germany, whose citizens were predominantly Christians, is hating Christians. Not the same thing at all. Israel is trying to play up the sympathy card by saying that going against them is against Jews. It's not. A lot of Jewish people don't even live there. And a lot dont support what Israel is doing either.
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@Sunsofold@lemmings.world 2025-12-25 21:27
It's not a matter of a word or follows. It's how he treats the classification. Does he treat Jews as a stereotypical mass? Does he think simply being of Jewish descent causes certain behaviors? Does he think Jews are interchangeable? Does he think Jews as a whole are a 'problem?'
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@ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2025-12-24 08:41
GOY! https://youtube.com/shorts/2aGOHXzpz70
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@DaMummy@hexbear.net 2025-12-26 03:25
Fwiw, both the guys of Due Dissidence are jewish
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@herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 2025-12-25 19:21
Goy is a Jewish religious term. They invented it.
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@HubertManne@piefed.social 2025-12-25 00:19
holy crap because I had an mmo character with that as the name. I had thought I had something that did not exist in any language. wow.
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@sinewyshadow@lemmy.ml 2025-12-24 22:14
On the nation-state. Here's a video of his. His name is Rathbone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qua2ZEeOOt0