@polotek@social.polotek.net I feel like expressiveness and authoring are issues we just *do* not address properly. You'll see occasional big successes (I like Ruby and older Rails versions). But even then, it's *incredibly* hard to get tools that are easy to learn *and* easy to share *and* easy to deploy. I don't know any mainstream lang that comes close. And when you point out the issues, the response is always "yeah, but is even worse!" Yeah, it is, and that doesn't help at all.