Post #70163

2025-12-16 17:47 UTC

Nazi bar I never liked this stupid idea. If anti-Nazis start to hang out at a bar, does it become an anti-Nazi bar? What about both Nazis & anti-Nazis: who wins? It seems you privilege the presence of Nazis in deciding the kind of bar it is with no chance of anyone else showing up to decide the kind of bar they make it with their mere presence. You privilege Nazis. I don’t see anyone applying this logic to the wider web where we have Nazi sites: no one calls the web a Nazi bar. Or the world for that matter. Is your language a Nazi bar since some Nazis speak it? Yet some people can regularly use x.com without ever running into Nazis just like the web or the world. Nazi bar is classic bad company fallacy. The most pernicious effect of this fallacy is it just surrenders entire platforms to Nazis & pretends retreating to ideological bubbles is morally virtuous. By immaturely prioritizing comforting & unchallenging environments of social validation & self-righteousness maintained by silencing opposition over environments of unfettered public discourse that challenge us to develop intellectual depth & skill to actually debate serious disagreements, we erode critical thought, limit self-reflection & growth, and allow radicalization to propagate unchecked by exposure to deradicalizing influences & more intelligent perspectives. We promote backslides into repressive extremism by being cowardly ninnies unwilling to counter words with reason & public opinion. Have some conviction to stand up for your morality where it matters.

Replies (3)

@Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2025-12-16 23:27

I never liked this stupid idea. The ‘stupid idea’ that people don’t want to be around Nazis? 🤔 If anti-Nazis start to hang out at a bar, does it become an anti-Nazi bar? Muh both sides. What about both Nazis & anti-Nazis: who wins? It seems you privilege the presence of Nazis in deciding the kind of bar it is with no chance of anyone else showing up to decide the kind of bar they make it with their mere presence. You privilege Nazis Do I really have to explain to you why Nazis coming into a bar is different than anti-nazis coming into a bar to normal people? If so, I’ll have to go break out the big box of Crayola for you.

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@BearGun@ttrpg.network 2025-12-17 02:55

It’s not a nazi bar because there is the occasional nazi in it. It’s a nazi bar because it’s led by a nazi, applies nazi standards and moderation, and therefore attracts nazis.

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@michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2025-12-17 18:22

What is being communicated is that being a nazi is so inherently abhorrant that its unsafe to express support for nazism in decent places. A nazi may exist in such places but they do so quietly because they risk at minimum getting tossed out. Places where its ok to be a nazi loudly end up attracting more because such places are rare and thus attract a disproportionate number of such folks. These folks make decent folks not want to come. Now you have a Nazi bar. From a broader social standpoint, people adjudge ideas I’m part based on how acceptable they seem to be by their peers. Seeing nornal communication alongside nazism reenforces the perceived normalcy of these abhorrent ideas.

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