@adrienne@social.treehouse.systems
Post #543404
2026-03-05 20:43 UTC
Replies (6)
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@nitinkhanna@mastodon.social 2026-03-05 20:51
@adrienne so who's left?
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@smolbrain@floofy.tech 2026-03-05 21:18
@adrienne fuuuuu.... What is the alternative? Just roll my own? Fucking hell...
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@Azuaron@cyberpunk.lol 2026-03-05 21:24
@adrienne The thing about every single company is that if the feds compel the company to give them data, and the company has that data, they will absolutely hand that data over. It's not a choice they're making. This is why Proton includes payment options such as Bitcoin and mailing them cash. Then, they don't have the data, so they have nothing to hand the feds. https://proton.me/support/payment-options
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@eldersea@expressional.social 2026-03-05 21:31
@adrienne The Proton PR person said "Proton only provides the limited information that we have when issued with a legally binding order from Swiss authorities, which can only happen after all Swiss legal checks are passed. This is an important distinction because Proton operates exclusively under Swiss law.” I have no idea if this is true, I'm not a lawyer etc etc, but if it is...is this behavior not to be expected if any email provider's locale legally requires it? Unless they can delete the payment info after it goes through, which is obviously a boon for privacy, but I have no clue what Swiss law might have to say on that front.
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@wcbdata@vis.social 2026-03-05 21:32
@adrienne I'm no defender of Proton (looking for an offroad from them, actually), but in this case, they were compelled by legal action from the Swiss government to hand over payment data. Since the payor had used a credit card that traced back to an individual, the Swiss government could find that person. And the FBI somehow (legally?) got ahold of the data from the Swiss. This circumstance is not unique to Proton - it would apply to any legally operating business with credit card customers. 🤦
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@doraii@furry.engineer 2026-03-05 21:34
@adrienne fiiiine I'll move to tuta this time