Post by @talya@dybbuk.club

2026-01-28 13:20 UTC

i wanna make something very clear. we absolutely do not "talk too much about Jews in the Holocaust". in fact, we don't talk about them enough, because we don't talk enough about the Holocaust. many white people, especially though not exclusively in formerly Nazi countries, *really* don't like to think about the Holocaust. they want to see it as a done thing, something of the past. "yeah, it was bad that it happened, we shouldn't do it again." but the thing about genocide is it's not a thing that happens, then ends. there's a reason we separate genocide from other crimes, and that is that genocide is not just murder. victims are not just killed, they are erased. their memories gone, their part of culture not coming back, their language fractured so thoroughly it can irrevocably change and lose its identity within far less than a decade. the Holocaust didn't "happen". it's still here. it's echoes ringing like that of a large bell, inseparable from the sound of the original strike. and i wanna make something else very clear. the reason non-Jewish victims of the Holocaust aren't talked about is *because* we don't talk enough about the Holocaust. because people want to reduce this historical moment of people coming together in hate to erase other people in their entirety to just the phrase "six million Jews". the persecution of queer people and Roma and Jehovah's witnesses and Slavs and disabled people wasn't a separate thing, in fact many of the victims from those very groups *were also Jewish* (a fact that modern Nazis know when they deface their momorials with anti-Jewish slogans). the Holocaust makes people uncomfortable, which is why they try to solve and reframe it. sit in that discomfort. think about what it means.

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@buncube@transfem.social 2026-04-30 12:46

@talya@dybbuk.club "it's still here" is so universally applicable it's not even funny. we can talk all we want about the lasting ramifications of the holocaust on the ethnic minorities it targeted, but the reality is- most people see it as an event, a kill count going up for the sheer sake of ideological control and scapegoating. but even on that basis, it endures. that basis endures to this day. i don't mean to be dismissive at all, by the way- unfortunately i'm not jewish and know next to nothing of jewish culture and history and the way it was affected and is still affected by the holocaust. so i can't speak for this perspective at all. but i don't think i have to, to point out just how horrifically apt that statement is. but i think i CAN speak for the way most white fucks like me think, which is the above. a war of wrath and pride, where a powerful man weaponised the growing fear and uncertainty of his people in the name of an ever-increasing kill count built to justify and perpetuate its own fear. a fight they're always "losing" to "the enemy", as told by their masters. a kill count targeting people on ideological bases that can be reduced to catchphrases and media blackouts that mean they never got a chance to fight back. that is what WW2, and the third reich, is to most (not all) white people with no notable ethnic background. You don't NEED to know anything about jewish history and culture to be able to openly acknowledge, IT'S STILL HERE. (you definitely should though and i'd like to learn more if i didn't have so much mentally on my plate to begin with, and if it wasn't for being information i likely would poorly retain anyway. x_x) I do love this post regardless, i like seeing this perspective more than you could imagine and it's far too rare to see people talk about it. It's just funny, those first few sentences of your post- when from even the most white possible of perspectives considering almost no ethnic history at all, it's so terrifyingly and abundantly obvious, that anyone still saying those kinds of horrific things was never going to listen. If they can't look at the single most blindingly obvious analogue i just gave, comprised of; - no ethnic background - almost no history knowledge (thanks, repression, i dont get to remember basic highschool history) - very very few friends of any ethnic background - and very little time to research and contemplate any of this then there was never any shot at them understanding this complex perspective respective of ethnic history and the deeper nature of genocide.

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