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Post #4485419

2026-08-10 06:03 UTC

OK first off, the USSR never had a universal basic income. They were just a tyrannical regime who devoted the government toward giving asspats to their buddies in the inner circle. They were the Republican Party, calling themselves communist. Every time a UBI has actually been implemented, it's worked great, with not one single kulak sent to the gulag. Secondly, currency does not work that way. The government just prints money. It doesn't spend taxes. Tax dollars are effectively just money burned, in order to limit inflation. So no, there's no risk of being "unable" to pay a UBI. The only consideration should be how much money to print in order to maximize quality of life for the country. Anyone expecting to be paid back at the expense of that is delusional. So a UBI would not make it where the poor cannot eat properly. It would just switch the dynamic so sellers have to react to increased wages, rather than wage increases reacting (with a delay) behind price hikes by sellers. That delay is stolen money, and a UBI would end that theft. Personally I think that it's ridiculous to make it so the criteria for "who starves to death" is how much money you have. So food shouldn't cost money. We can figure out other ways to decide who gets the food produced. But if you must sell food, for money, then a UBI has (in every case) been shown to improve things overall. It's the difference between a billionaire having "literally infinity times" the buying power of someone with no income, to "only a billion times" the buying power. Poor people might see prices rise, but they already have $0 to pay for anything, so it doesn't matter how high or low the price is.

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  • @cy The problem is, when the government prints money, it simply reduces value of all existing money in circulation. Which primarily affects normal people, as billionaires tend to hoard their value in stocks or real estate, safe from inflation. So any approach based on printing money just flattens the 99%, making them all equally poor, while taking nothing from the 1% (but very likely even redistributing more to them). So I kinda fear that an UBI approach will feed the poorest, which is good but will also make the "20% to 99%" poorer (worst case, the entire 99% will be living from paycheck to paycheck, always on the brink to starvation, and will not be able to afford luxury items like an internet connection), while doing nothing at all about the hoarding 1%. I honestly do not see how your idea of solving the food problem should work. So you want the government to decide who can eat how much and what? That sounds like Soviet style planned economy and we all know how well that worked out. Holodomor? The problems I mentioned of course do not happen in small scale pilots yet, so these pilots sadly do not tell the full story.

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