Post #4437555

2026-07-23 09:01 UTC

@pat_dev@social.linux.pizza @codefloe@social.tchncs.de no, it's just structurally just yet another platform that is not owned by its users - and the people running it are pretending it's a benefit. You have outright mentioned in your first reply that being democratically organised is detrimental to decision making speed and that you are about 'code, performance and progress' - it's fine if democratic structures are 'too hard' for people, but that means again being fully depended on someone else's - here on your - good will

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@gedankenstuecke@scholar.social 2026-07-23 09:03

@pat_dev@social.linux.pizza @codefloe@social.tchncs.de and if people want that, they can also go with GitHub, which is also about "code, performance and progress" while having to pray that the overlords who hold the power only do stuff you approve off

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@pat_dev@social.linux.pizza 2026-07-23 17:49

@gedankenstuecke@scholar.social @codefloe@social.tchncs.de I said that an association is a/the problem, I didn't say that democracy is. And yes, there are differences between a full democratic voting system for all decisions that are on the line and a group of people (wherever they might come from) to work together on something and moving it forward. A company structure doesn't prevent that at all! This 0/100 thinking of association vs company structure is just wrong and partly naive. In which way does CodeFloe act non-democratic? Ask differently: CB restricts participation to paying members - is that how active democracy is supposed to look like? CB is centralized at the top and composed out of a few members who have the keys to all servers. Their positions are not being voted on nor has anyone ever being put in place by the community through a public vote other than the bookkeeping people. The day-to-day technical decisions are made by these people and they are (at large) the founders of the association. They say what is being done and they are not voted upon by the community. The community only gets to discuss the complicated political and ethical issues of the platform/association in its ToU.

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