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Post #4352790

2023-09-02 11:07 UTC

@highergeometer@mathstodon.xyz Ha ha :-) But this was 2017, before my eyes had been opened. In fact it was later that year, when I failed to apply a lemma about R[1/fg] to R[1/f][1/g] when translating a Stacks Project lemma into Lean, that the penny dropped. Conversely I claim that the convention is a great one when you're not formalising mathematics ๐Ÿ™‚ Interestingly, I have seen both normalisations of that "=" used in the literature. If p is a prime not dividing N then there's an unambiguous p on the right hand side, and there's an ambiguous p on the left hand side: you either use the "arithmetic Frobenius" or the "geometric Frobenius". The notation for both of these is "Frob_p" and one is the inverse of the other. Arithmetic Frobenius sends a root of unity z in Q(zeta_n) to z^p. The canonical isomorphism of course sends the unambiguous p on the right hand side to...one of the Frobeniuses. Geometric Frobenius exists because people (Deligne?) were annoyed about how arithmetic Frobenius acted on etale cohomology -- there were too many - signs in the theorems. But if you're interested in Heegner points and Tate modules then there are too many - signs with the geometric convention. So there are always arguments for both conventions. Maybe they're both canonical? ๐Ÿ™‚

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  • @xenaproject@mathstodon.xyz Thanks for explaining the different conventions. I was going to ask you at some point for details about those. My current idea is that "canonical" maps only make sense in terms of pre-chosen structure on the domain and codomain dubbed "canonical". It might be that a single group (your LHS) has different choices of structure that are useful for different reasons. This talk of arithmetic and geometric Frobenii hints that the different "p" on the LHS is really canonical in different contexts, or, dare I say it, different categories (I presume the pure number theory/algebraic setting vs the scheme-theoretic/geometric setting?)

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