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2026-08-02 13:10 UTC

@bemmesr@mathstodon.xyz I hadn't realised you were the same person as was asking about partial fractions :) That kind of thread truly makes me despair, as it's a high school topic that a high school teacher *should* be able to explain :/ There's a curiosity that he is very focused on linking the same topics again and again. Whether this is just to draw people to his own threads, or because those are just the topics he brings everything back to, I'm not sure. But in that case, your question *was not about* pronumerals so it's quite weird that that's what he brought up. In unrelated maths topics he relentlessly brings up order-of-operations as an example. My strong suspicion is that it's an unhealthy obsession that he can't let go of... and you know, I can't criticise him too heavily for that, can I? The positive thing that came out of my past interactions with him is that I've been motivated to watch out for opportunities to explain maths. Cajori is a source that SmartmanApps has read a lot (but not all of it - there's actually a fantastic section on factorials which points out several places where expressions like "n · n - 1 · n - 2 · ..." were interpreted as n! rather than n^2 - n - 2n - 3n etc. I love this because it's a situation where the intended interpretation is obvious even though it's not strictly in accordance with the rules as written.) The sentence you quoted has a reference to Lennes' textbook. As far as I can work out, the textbook never makes this explicit, but it can be determined from examples. In Example 155 on p212 of the book (https://archive.org/details/highschoolalgeb01lenngoog/page/212/mode/2up?ref=ol&q=order) you can see that he is performing all multiplications before the divisions. SmartmanApps is on the record as saying this textbook is just wrong, so it won't convince him. When I challenged him that he simultaneously thinks "all textbooks agree" and "Lennes' textbook is wrong" I believe this was the point where he said that, since his sentence was in the present tense, he had not meant to include Lennes. I never did work out exactly what timespan of publication he includes under "all textbooks agree." Perhaps it's a vacuous truth, unless at the very moment of utterance, a texbook on the subject is being written. Or printed? I saw he brought up his "e-calcs" thing again. He needs to be reminded that they behave exactly the same as that Casio fx-110!

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  • @bemmesr@mathstodon.xyz 2026-08-02 15:05

    @FishFace@ioc.exchange > SmartmanApps is on the record as saying this textbook is just wrong, so it won't convince him. When I challenged him that he simultaneously thinks "all textbooks agree" and "Lennes' textbook is wrong" I believe this was the point where he said that, since his sentence was in the present tense, he had not meant to include Lennes. I never did work out exactly what timespan of publication he includes under "all textbooks agree." Perhaps it's a vacuous truth, unless at the very moment of utterance, a texbook on the subject is being written. Or printed? I did notice this, so I held off on using it as a source. Thankfully he has provided ‘150 years’ as a timespan, so I'm still searching for a source within that period. On this search I've encountered the general idea that the division operator should be avoided over and over, but have yet to find definitive examples of textbooks which use a different order of operations, despite that being a cited reason for avoiding the symbol.

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