@TheEvilSkeleton@social.treehouse.systems
Post #3905474
2026-07-18 04:30 UTC
Replies (6)
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@jablkoziemne@101010.pl 2026-07-18 08:26
@TheEvilSkeleton@social.treehouse.systems It makes me sad seeing that #linuxmint has such package maintainer.
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@creak@mstdn.ca 2026-07-19 16:05
@TheEvilSkeleton@social.treehouse.systems while I empathize, I'm having difficulties to understand what going on exactly 😕 So we've got this chain of publication: GNOME Calendar -> Debian -> Ubuntu -> Linux Mint Is the issue that Linux Mint did too many changes on an old version? (Which, from what I understand, they didn't do), or is the issue that the version is just too old? (But then, why Debian and Ubuntu don't raise the same issue?) I'm a bit at a loss here as I've read Mint's arguments and they also make sense 😕 I simply want to understand 🙏 There's also the fact that Fedora (the distribution I use and like) got entangled as a "bad downstream" for reasons I also don't understand.
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@fun@berkeley.edu.pl 2026-07-20 13:08
@TheEvilSkeleton@social.treehouse.systems so I got linked to this before ... from what I can tell in the issue, as an outsider, it looks like neither side wanted a productive conversation, and it just felt rude on both sides. The issue body itself also initially didn't look completely clear what the actual problem is, it just asked for rebranding everything without any specific reason. This article itself is just inflammatory, again pointing fingers at LM which is not helpful. Note linuxmint is not innocent either, they definitely messed up by packaging gnome-calendar in this state, but I feel if the discussion started by clearly stating the problem (people reporting long solved bugs in the wrong place, which is hurting upstream) and not pointing fingers all the time the outcome probably would've changed significantly. But instead there was a lot of miscommunication, both from your side and their side, miscommunication that could have definitely been avoided, which is sad to see.
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@TheEvilSkeleton@social.treehouse.systems 2026-07-21 21:41
In general, while I do appreciate that a lot of developers and news outlets are on my side on this, but I think there is one thing I believe that we get fundamentally wrong: the issue is not LTS, and I would argue that LTS actually has nothing to do with this, as it is just a technical detail. In my opinion, this is inherently a downstream attitude problem. I believe the most brutal recent example was between Fedora and OBS Studio, where OBS Studio was ready to sue Fedora over misusing trademarks and brushing it off. Fedora is not an LTS distribution, but it shared the same inherent attitude that (in this case) Linux Mint had.
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@creak@mstdn.ca 2026-07-22 22:34
@TheEvilSkeleton@social.treehouse.systems @thelinuxEXP@mastodon.social did a video about that yesterday: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1ebkQq5TcMw&si=sM8pZ51QWQ3EVIUI
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@TheEvilSkeleton@social.treehouse.systems 2026-07-23 14:23
I went ahead and edited the article to include a section of Mint downgrading GTK4+libadwaita versions of GNOME Calendar back to GTK3: https://tesk.page/2026/07/18/how-far-would-hostile-distributions-go-to-hurt-upstream/#addendum-past-visual-and-behavioral-changes-to-calendar-while-retaining-the-brand And edited again to demonstrate potential license violation: https://tesk.page/2026/07/18/how-far-would-hostile-distributions-go-to-hurt-upstream/#addendum-2-potential-license-violation Hopefully the first addendum should provide more context to why we're so annoyed by the situation.