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Post #3890517

2026-07-17 17:25 UTC

@greyarea@mitra.vpclmulqdq.moe @raucao@kosmos.social @lain@lain.com @sozialwelten@ifwo.eu @koteisaev@mastodon.online Is there anything built on top of Noise for group messaging? As far as I can tell, HPKE is used in MLS

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  • @silverpill@mitra.social @raucao@kosmos.social @lain@lain.com @sozialwelten@ifwo.eu @koteisaev@mastodon.online WhatsApp. It's biggest claim to fame is non-group messaging (WireGuard), and the fact that the designer based it on the Signal wire protocol design (same person). The latter research that adds concrete security proofs is an added bonus, as well as decent library availability. But, there's only so many ways to do NIKE (Non-Interactive Key Exchange), and the IETF/IRTF has a preference for reusing their own standards. TLDR: Noise over HPKE is a personal preference, I think it's harder to blow your foot off with Noise and it's easier to implement (having done multiple Noise impls, and dealt with HPKE more than I should), but honestly either is a reasonable choice, and if you want something more standardized, HPKE is reasonable.

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