Post #3827081

2026-07-08 01:12 UTC

What do you mean we’re not at the point of gestapo pulling people from their beds? What the hell is ICE doing? You act as though this is still a legitimate government with legitimate laws. It is not. The US government is no longer legitimate; we are in a high functioning failed state. The legality of the rioters is irrelevant, they are a part of our tribe and our tribe is targeted by a rival tribe. We cannot act like there is such a thing as the rule of law, we will bury ourselves in our sanctimoniousness. The goal at this point is embrace, extend, extinguish. EDIT: Also, to be clear, when you say things were going back to normal you’re referring to the US just being a regular imperialist hell hole? “Holding steady” in that context is equally unacceptable.

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@testfactor@lemmy.world 2026-07-08 03:52

I think your edit outlines that we are just going to disagree. The US has its flaws, no question, but I’m a far cry from calling it an imperialist hellhole. I like the US as a whole, and we may not be the "Greatest Nation In The World"™, and we’ve certainly been involved in our share of bad stuff. But I also think we’ve been on the right side of history a fair few times as well, and the average American has it pretty well off. Now, I think this current administration is certainly going out of its way to destroy a lot of that. I agree that ICE is certainly gestapo adjacent (though not what we were talking about when I brought them up.) I agree that the rule of law is being stretched a little thin at the moment. But, crucially, this is all stuff we’ve seen before. Andrew Jackson literally told the Supreme Court to try and enforce their ruling with whatever army they had to do so, and then kicked off the Trail of Tears. We’ve literally had a full scale Civil War and come back together as a nation afterwards. It’s nowhere near as bad off as it has been before, and we survived it, and we absolutely will again. It requires bold leaders in the civic arena who can stand up for decency and the rule of law. Not some tribalist nonsense where we advocate for killing anyone who doesn’t wave our particular color of flag. I’m sorry you’ve given up hope, but I promise we’ve come back from far worse as a nation. Two years from now we’ll likely have a Democrat in the White House (if the party doesn’t screw the pooch again), and we can start rebuilding. We’re already seeing a blue wave take off in the House and Senate. In a couple years we can start rebuilding. Which doesn’t diminish the damage that has been done, which is extensive. But I think what we’re seeing is the final throes of a dying party, and once the current administration is out, we’ll see a big restructuring of the Republican party, as most of their voter base is passing on. The Overton Window will shift a good bit left, and we’ll begin seeing slow but measured and sustainable progress forward.

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