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Post #3110833
2026-05-17 22:32 UTC
How does text prediction have nothing to do with programing? And how is executing a series of functions often dependent of previous output not a pipeline? Okay, whatever, we're on the same page that AI doesn't take jobs and is used as an excuse -- that's great.
>despite that insist that that alone is worth dealing with all the problems that come with it
No, I don't think the problems should be tolerated.
> we should just hold the bad people using it for bad things accountable, as if it were that easy
Yes, this. Do this. No, it's not easy, but it never has been because...
>How is AI itself not part of the problem here? ... Yes, a lot of the problems associated with AI are just worse versions of problems that already existed.
It has nothing to do with AI. Literally every problem "associated" with AI is just a pre-existing problem repackaged. They're hiding behind an excuse and for reasons I do not understand you're buying into it, making yourself look like a Luddite, and letting them claim to be on the *side of historical progress*. You and I both know it's nonsense to let them claim that, but rather than be dismissive of the technology and critical of the people you're blaming it:
>But the existence of AI makes these problems worse and harder to solve.
Only if you buy into the idea that it's something we have to move the world for. You claim you can see how little an effect it has had, but you simultaneously seem to think it's a big bad demon. AI has done very little in any direction. Aside from all the hype, the actual effect good or bad has been marginal. Something like 3% of job cuts occurred due to automation, and I'm not even sure if that's lower or higher than on a normal year.
You want to complain about data centers, fine, but complain about political corruption and talk about how we shouldn't centralize power in singular mayors rather than full consensus councils, or how we need multi-candidate ranked lottery voting systems with recall mechanisms, or how we should heavily tax political donations and political advertising and use a portion of those funds to provide the public with factual information campaign ran with a similar ranked lottery electorate consulting with technical experts, or how we should regulate or socialize utilities. -- None of it's easy, but if you want a world worth living in that's the work you have to put in.
Screaming regulate AI leads to politicians creating internet ID laws and mass surveillance because you didn't bother to build consensus about what you meant when you said regulate AI and politicians doing as they do took it upon themselves to reinterpret what you think you meant into something that they or their billionaire donors wanted.
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>How does text prediction have nothing to do with programing?
The large majority of text is not code. To begin with, LLMs being able to generate code was more of an incidental discovery than anything, only then did you get specialised products for that purpose.
>No, it’s not easy, ...
That's my whole point: if it's not easy, then you have to justify the cost. And while yes, as you say, behind a lot of the problems associated with AI, there are deeper underlying problems that have nothing to do with AI, but that doesn't mean that AI doesn't significantly add to the problems and the cost to solve them. Let's say you're in conflict with someone, in what situation do you expect that it's easier to resolve by talking it out: when they're unarmed or when they have a gun aimed at you? Same underlying problem, different difficulty in resolving the problem.
>Only if you buy into the idea that it’s something we have to move the world for. You claim you can see how little an effect it has had, but you simultaneously seem to think it’s a big bad demon.
I don't understand how this is not getting through. Something can be worthless to one group of people and very valuable to another. If you care about truth, human wellbeing, creating value for society and so on, then AI (as in LLMs and other similar generative AI) is less than worthless to you. If you only care about gaining wealth and power and don't give a damn about what is true or what harm you may be causing to society, then it's the most impactful technology since social media. These two things can be true at the same time. And if you're not aware of all the problems the second group has been causing at a scale that's only possible because of AI, then quite frankly, you've been living under a rock. People getting laid off under the pretense that they can be replaced by AI is hardly the only problem.
>Screaming regulate AI
Who said anything about regulating AI? I want nothing short of a third AI winter.
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