Post #2768164

2023-12-12 15:38 UTC

@ck@chaos.social @dalias@hachyderm.io @signalapp@mastodon.world There's also a reckoning to be had within the FOSS community IMO, which in the 1990s took its eye off market actors even as it remained vigilant about government surveillance/overreach. The acceptance of corporate tech (and implicitly its surveillance business model), led by folks like ESR via the break from Free software to "open source," did a lot to get us here.

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@julf@social.secret-wg.org 2023-12-12 15:45

@Mer__edith@mastodon.world @ck@chaos.social @dalias@hachyderm.io @signalapp@mastodon.world On the other hand, one could argue that it was the absolute ideological dogmatism of RMS and his followers that led to corporates to go their own way.

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@VincentTunru@fosstodon.org 2023-12-12 16:05

@Mer__edith@mastodon.world @ck@chaos.social @dalias@hachyderm.io @signalapp@mastodon.world Corporate surveillance *is also* (indirect) government surveillance. And with a bit of luck, it's not a government you are able to vote for.

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@jplebreton@mastodon.social 2023-12-12 16:40

@Mer__edith@mastodon.world @ck@chaos.social @dalias@hachyderm.io @signalapp@mastodon.world The world has paid such a high price for the founding ideology of the FOSS movement's lack of political consciousness around capitalist dynamics. "Markets produce just outcomes / markets naturally punish bad actors / small businesses will save the world" in all its forms (FOSS by no means alone) led directly to today's tech surveillance/policing/military-industrial oligarchies - against which we must build broad, powerful coalitions of ordinary people.

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